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arielhawksquill
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| Quote: | | I believe that if I date someone of another religion, I will go to hell. |
Really? It doesn't say that in the Bible or the Lutheran catechism. Logically, you'd be more likely to go to hell for fornicating with a nice Christian girl than dating a non-believer. |
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BallisticMystic
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 10:31 am Post subject: |
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| Tim_Tex wrote: | | BallisticMystic wrote: | Maybe you're not really looking but feel the need to justify it in a world where you're "supposed" to be looking.
I was always looking for the right person when I was younger, the problem is that my criteria were so stringent that what I was looking for just wasn't out there.
While your criteria appear simple enough to accommodate, you admit that there doesn't seem to be anyone in your sphere of activity that meets it.
The simple answer is that you know you're not going to find it because you know it's not "out there" but within you. You go through the act of attempting to look for it externally because of perceived expectations, but you never seriously try to find it.
As far as being "christian", what is it you mean when you say that you're christian?
I don't mean what labeled sectarian group do you throw down with, but what is it that you personally believe that's different from what "they" personally believe? Do you even know what anyone else really believes? Are you really all that sure about what YOU believe when you actually stop to think about it? |
I am a Christian because I believe that Jesus died for my sins. Also if I don't believe in him, I will go to hell.
As for what denomination, I am a Lutheran. Lutheranism is one of the more liberal, non-judgmental Christian sects--therefore, I live very secularly. Sexuality is also an issue with me. I don't think I can abstain from sex until marriage--my last girlfriend and I broke up because she wanted to abstain, and she wanted to wait 5 years before getting married
But finding a romantic partner who is female, Aspie, Christian, and likes animated sitcoms (particularly the Simpsons and South Park) as much as I do is going to be impossible. |
Believing ANYTHING without having directly experienced it is pretty much just parroting what others have put in your head.
Ask yourself why you believe that when it doesn't even make any sense.
Christianity is not a sect, or at least was never supposed to be. When they compiled the bible at the Nicene council it was deliberately meant to be a "crossing" or precise mixing of all the world's religions and myths at the time. Because of this, Christianity cannot condemn other religions, it is made up of them. A true christian's motto is "The stone that the builder refused will always be the head cornerstone", meaning that if you refuse to use anything from any religion it's likely to be the one piece of the puzzle you lack in the end.
The difference between christianity and previous world religions is the same as the difference between the old and new testament. The old ways led to Ascension, the new to Resurrection. The difference is only in the mechanics of what is being done and the final result, it's not sectarian or cultural.
In the same sense, you limiting yourself to such narrow options could be keeping you from finding what you're looking for, a more successful approach might be to "look for what is right for you" without trying to define what that is. This creates a drawing function that will bring you what is right for you, though it may not be what you thought you were looking for.
I still say you're not really looking because when people really do seek something, they always find it.
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JohnHopkins
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| crackedpleasures wrote: | | I surely hope if my future girlfriend would be religious she considers our relationship as priority. I don't mind what she believes in, I will respect it regardless if it is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, whatever. But if the religion comes first, then I fear we have a problem because I would feel like there is no mutual commitment (to me, she would come first, always and anytime... I can understand her religious commitment is important, the day it stands between us because her religion becomes the most important I would find it a problem whereas dating a religious girl in principle is no issue to me at all) |
Well think about what you're saying. If someone is religious, then it is their way of life. It is how they live, just like eating or sleeping or breathing. You're asking someone to prioritise you over breathing, or eating. |
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JerryHatake
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Well since I wasn't brought up religious, I think I would but if my partner didn't mind me being Jewish and not be religious then I'm okay with it. An example is with my friend Michelle who is a Presbyterian while I'm a Jewish-Reform.
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Tim_Tex
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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If it wasn't for my mom's cousin and his wife, I would consider dating non-Christians.
I am the only Lutheran in my family. Everyone else in my family is evangelical.
Whoever I date doesn't necessarily have to be Lutheran, though.
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beef_bourito
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| you're 28, don't you think you're old enough to make your own decisions about who to date? |
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Tim_Tex
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I do make my own decisions, but I am concerned about how some members of my family will react.
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beef_bourito
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2008 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| when it comes to the woman you're going to spend your life with, who cares what your family is going to think. if she's perfect for you in every way but she's not a christian, are you going to turn her down? |
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crackedpleasures
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| JohnHopkins wrote: | | crackedpleasures wrote: | | I surely hope if my future girlfriend would be religious she considers our relationship as priority. I don't mind what she believes in, I will respect it regardless if it is Christianity, Islam, Judaism, whatever. But if the religion comes first, then I fear we have a problem because I would feel like there is no mutual commitment (to me, she would come first, always and anytime... I can understand her religious commitment is important, the day it stands between us because her religion becomes the most important I would find it a problem whereas dating a religious girl in principle is no issue to me at all) |
Well think about what you're saying. If someone is religious, then it is their way of life. It is how they live, just like eating or sleeping or breathing. You're asking someone to prioritise you over breathing, or eating. |
Absolutely not, unless they are very devote. Many religious people hardly practice their religion very strictly, which makes their believes a minor aspect of their personality rather than an important aspect of their daily life.
The girl I like right now is Muslim as in: believing in Allah and in the teachings of Muhammad. But she does not follow Islamic rules at all, or only very occasionally. So she is religious because she does believe in the creationist views of Islam, but as long as she does not organise her life around those believes it is not an aspect of her life that would conflict with my atheism.
Tim, I would really advise you to ignore your family if you meet a woman with whom everything feels right. If your family is anything concerned about your happiness, they will accept any girl you wish to love. If they don't do that, you should not waste any time being concerned on how they think, because then they clearly are not concerned with how you feel or think neither. Your future wife is someone you will be with every day, so isn't she a lot more crucial in your life than an uncle or cousin?
Personally, I would not care at all what my family thinks. Only my parents I am close with, and they would accept any choice of partner I make. They know the girl I like is Muslim, they don't care and even encouraged me to tell her that I like her. Maybe some more devote members of my family would find it unacceptable that she has another religion than the christian religion in the family, but I would really not care a second what they think. If I find a woman I love enough to want to be with, then the thoughts of some long-distance aunt or uncle is totally unimportant to me. All that matters then, is the girl I want to be with.
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Kilroy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Tim_Tex wrote: | | I do make my own decisions, but I am concerned about how some members of my family will react. |
dude your like 30
grow a spine and tell them to eff off |
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BigK
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 3:14 am Post subject: |
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| Tim_Tex wrote: | | I do make my own decisions, but I am concerned about how some members of my family will react. |
And that includes the person you considered a 'crook'?
| Tim_Tex wrote: | | I believe that if I date someone of another religion, I will go to hell. |
Are you the same guy that could not wait until marriage for sex and wanted to dump christianity because it had too many rules?
I can understand that you have to keep everyone sweet if your family is funding you education.
Once you get your degree are you going to run off to California and become a hipster?
Or ay least far enough away to live your own life a get a different outlook.
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i_Am_andaJoy
the dischord in the thrum...
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oh, timmy, tim, tim. i shake my head over you.
i haven't checked in on WP in months, but it's funny, all the things that never change... (which is what i like of course, that i'm able to keep up.)
one of the constants being you and your posts. someday i will sign in and you will be happily married and my whole universe will skew.
now tim, i am trying to mean this in the nicest, albeit exasperated, way...
most of your posts say you want a romantic partner who is female, Aspie, Christian, and likes south park. though sometimes you switch to liberal, and always they need to want sex all the time. you complain all the "good ones" are already taken, and too many females are shallow and just care about money, or security, or looks, or whatever rejection you have recently suffered. of course, you also want nympho-south-park-junkie to have huge boobs, so she also had to be dumb enough not to see the double-standard there, but still really clever and fun and smart about everything else, as well as be attracted to plain men with no money.
when i say it like that, doesn't it seem silly? i know it sucks to be alone, it's nice to have someone, anyone around. but if you could just reign in all of that a bit, you would have much better luck with women. try not to focus on finding this imaginary girl so much and maybe a nice real one will fall into your lap.
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Tim_Tex
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Nearly everyone who likes South Park is either an atheist or agnostic.
And nearly everybody I talk to says that women don't watch South Park, because it's "a guy's show". That is not true, because I know quite a few, including several Aspies, who watch it.
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Silver1
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| I wouldn't change my religion for anything, my partner would have to accept it. If they truly care about you, it shouldn't be a problem. |
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Kilroy
this is desu~
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Tim_Tex wrote: | Nearly everyone who likes South Park is either an atheist or agnostic.
And nearly everybody I talk to says that women don't watch South Park, because it's "a guy's show". That is not true, because I know quite a few, including several Aspies, who watch it. |
who cares!!
god, I_Am_andaJoy is right
you have no idea what you want, and base the whole idea of trying to find women on a stupid tv show |
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