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Wombat
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Is it wrong if you believe in creationism and tell your children what you believe?
Is it wrong if you are pro/anti abortion or pro/anti gay marriage and try to raise your children to share your views and moral standard?
What is next? Do we lock up Republicans because they don't raise their children as Democrats?
Being a "white supremacist" is a bad thing, right?
So why do the Mexicans have an organization called La Raza which means "the race"?
They openly talk about reconquista which means taking back America.
But THEY aren't racist, right? |
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history_of_psychiatry
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| Wombat wrote: | Is it wrong if you believe in creationism and tell your children what you believe?
Is it wrong if you are pro/anti abortion or pro/anti gay marriage and try to raise your children to share your views and moral standard?
What is next? Do we lock up Republicans because they don't raise their children as Democrats?
Being a "white supremacist" is a bad thing, right?
So why do the Mexicans have an organization called La Raza which means "the race"?
They openly talk about reconquista which means taking back America.
But THEY aren't racist, right? |
"Is it wrong if you believe in creationism and tell your children what you believe?"
No, even though creationism is fairy tale nonsense.
"Being a "white supremacist" is a bad thing, right?"
Yes, it is.
"So why do the Mexicans have an organization called La Raza which means "the race"?
They openly talk about reconquista which means taking back America.
But THEY aren't racist, right?"
Yes, they are just as racist. Racial supremacy is racial supremacy.
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CRD
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| The kids we're not clean, not going to school because the parents wanted to sleep in and watching things that childern should never see. The white power bs is what made the papers but the reson they lost the kids is because they were crap parents. Not that I at all agree that hittler was a swell guy. Anyone no matter what their views are would have lost their childern under the same conditions. But I have to say I'd love to see they kids grow-up and marry someone of color or a Jew but thats just how I think. That would be funny. |
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Wombat
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There is an organization called "La Raza" (the race) but that is ok.
In universities or the workplace you can have a "black association" or a "hispanic association" or a "gay association" and that is ok, right?
But god help you if you tried to create a "white" or "european" association.
You would automatically be labeled as a "hater" or a "neo-nazi".
Am I right? |
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CRD
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| Nope. There are alot of groups all over the world that are for diffrent white/european groups. The things about them is they don't have the same goals as hate groups. The goal of a white power or neo-nazi group would be at very lest seperation of the races. While other groups are about teaching about were they came form for example there is a group were I live that went to a boyscout a event and taught the kids about the highland games. The kids have alot of fun and learned some cool things. So Wombat thats my answer to your question. |
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Jellybean
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Man, this is just so wrong. People need to teach kids to love all people so long as those people are living by the law and just being really nice. Why hate one group of people just because they are different? It seems so pointless. That poor girl is going to grow up with such a short-sighted view on the world, it's just lucky that the 2 year old is probably too young to remember anything. Yeah, I do believe people should be allowed to teach their values and beliefs to their children, but not enforce them. By drawing swastika on her arm, they were enforcing their beliefs on this child. Its like a catholic drawing a big cross on their kid's arm... I think...
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sartresue
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| CRD wrote: | | Nope. There are alot of groups all over the world that are for diffrent white/european groups. The things about them is they don't have the same goals as hate groups. The goal of a white power or neo-nazi group would be at very lest seperation of the races. While other groups are about teaching about were they came form for example there is a group were I live that went to a boyscout a event and taught the kids about the highland games. The kids have alot of fun and learned some cool things. So Wombat thats my answer to your question. |
The culture association topic
If a group's aim is to promote a supremacy based on skin pigment and to advocate hate and division of those who look/act/think differently, then this is clearly organized racism.
A group that advocates its good qualities that does not exclude others who express interest in joining a different culture (eg a British cooking school, Highland Dancing club, Shakespearean poetry, and a Classical Music Appreciation society are examples where the members organizing it would be overwhelmingly "white") are disseminating culture in an educational way and promoting the good qualities of the European culture.
Similarly, some African American cultural groups promote cultural offerings which may include but are not limited to Rap music/ dance, African American poetry clubs, Jazz music groups, and African American fashion design. for North Americans of Japanese descent, there may be Japanese beginners' language classes, and for Mandarin/Cantonese Americans there are classes of interest to them. Some groups can overlap, and some are special interest that my not attract a wide interest, and some people express interest in learning about a different culture. This is what multiculturalism is all about--checking out what different ethnic/religious/language groups have to offer. Variety is the spice of life. You can choose to partake or not, and in Canada, no religion/language/ethnicity/culture is better than another.
North America is all about different ethnic/cultural groups. Multiculturalism is a fact of life here.
Extremism about race, colour, creed, religion, ethnicity, sexuality is dysfunctional and the cause of many of the problems in Europe today.
I am glad to live in North America where racism and other extremist hate is not tolerated because it is destructive in the long run.
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FarmerJim
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| Where I come from we have many gangs with very racist viewpoints and violence. Some of them have Nazism. It very destructive for a society especially hindering diversity and community love. |
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Wombat
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So the parents approve of National Socialism? So what? So the parents are racist? So what?
I know! Let's say religion is bollocks and take away the children of people who have any religious beliefs. How about communists or socialists?
If the government is liberal then let's take the children from conservatives.
Are you against Gay marriage? Then we will take your children.
Do you want to home school your children? Then we will take them.
Do you smack your child on the butt for being naughty? Then we will not only take your children we will throw you in jail. |
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CRD
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| If you read the orginal news piece you'll see the kids were removed because of negelct this happens all the time it made the new because of the strong feelings the belives of the parents insue.We had something like this in the US with a mother that named her childern after infamous nazis. They did not removed he childern for that but CPS did pay the house a vist. |
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Sallamandrina
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I agree that all parents "indoctrinate" their children up to a certain point - it's somehow unavoidable.
What I find most disturbing is not these people's believes, but the fact that they express them by writing things on their child, and I think the teacher was right to be worried about it.
Being a parent should be seen more as a responsibility than a right - conceiving doesn't entitle anybody to be abusive or neglectful.
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CRD
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| Sallamandrina's got a great point. This is a child a little human with right of her own not a puppet or a doll. |
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Trystania
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The children's mother has not yet responded to the allegations in court documents. In an interview last year with The Canadian Press, she denied being a neo-Nazi and called herself simply a "proud Scottish chick."
Gee thanks a lot, drag Scotland's name through the mud by associating it with your hatred. Muppet! |
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Jellybean
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s'okay, we know that Scotland has nothing to do with this... You're right, why's she draggin that into it? Scottish people aren't nazi lovers.... I'm confused...
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JWLuke787
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They advocated the death of minorities. They were supporting murder. The fact that they were racist just adds fuel to the fire. It did not start the fire though.
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I in fact find it a little disturbing that someone can (possibly) have their children taken from them on account of their political views. |
That's exactly what I was thinking. No matter how reprehensible one's views may be, that shouldn't be just cause to have your children taken away from you. Maybe the government should take kids away if their parents really love immigrants, too. |
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