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twoshots
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| MattShizzle wrote: | | It's a myth that we are losing jobs to illegals - they are mostly jobs Americans won't do. Even if we could get Americans to do them we'd have to pay more. Do you want to pay 12 bucks for a head of lettuce at the grocery store? |
Do you enjoy having a poor underclass with deflated wages due to mass influx of even poorer immigrants? Of course you do! We need to have food even more ridiculously cheep!
| Orwell wrote: | | People have been bitching about that sort of thing since the dawn of recorded history. Is it actually worse now? |
American cities are shitholes; no secret about that. Reason being, simply enough, that anyone with any money left them in the post-war period, and things like race riots further exacerbated the problem until there was no one but the very poor (generally minority underclass) left, and there were no more jobs left for them. There has been in many of the classic large cities in the United States severe depopulation over the last 70 years or so. Detroit's city proper is scarcely half the size it was in 1960; another especially hard hit city is Newark in NJ, which was I think one of the maybe 20 largest cities in the country back in the 30s, but has since lost nearly two hundred thousand people and is scarcely a blip on the radar. Even Manhattan is significantly lower in population relative to what it was at its peak.
But I'm getting side tracked. Point is that contemporary urban decay can't be pinned on minorities not taking care of the cities, but is instead tied largely to the fact that their populations are primarily underclass and the widespread poverty isn't exactly conducive to taking care of the cities. Blaming minorities for the fact that cities are populated by poor people is ludicrous on two fronts: first is that the white middle class chose to flee the cities in the first place, and second is that one would essentially have to blame minorities for being poor. If I remember the history of the cities of the Rust Belt (including the likes of Newark and Detroit), the migration of poor blacks from the South to the cities in the North coincided roughly with a shift in industrial work and consequently jobs out of the cities in the first place, on top of the fact that discrimination etc. existed up until and after around the time that places like Newark were vacated by the middle class entirely, leaving no opportunities for those left.
Fact is that blaming minorities for the current state of American cities is ridiculous. Maybe if the middle class wants our cities to be nice places they could try actually living in one.
| Quote: | | Is crime up? I think that's largely a popular myth, but I could be wrong. I'm too lazy to go check the numbers. |
I'm relatively certain that crime is up quite a bit over the 50s for the country as a whole, although presently it's down compared to the 80s.
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claire333
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2009 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| twoshots wrote: | | Fact is that blaming minorities for the current state of American cities is ridiculous. |
Your post makes me think of a recent one where someone was using statistics on the relation between poverty and crime, and poverty and obesity to conclude fat people are responsible for crime. 
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skysaw
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I can't help thinking of an old Steve Wright joke:
"I used to think correlation was causation, then I studied a statistics course and now I know better. Did the course help? I can never be sure." |
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monty
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:52 am Post subject: |
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| timeisdead wrote: | | Why is it that most illegals happen to come from Mexico? It may not be caused by race but there is a definite correlation. |
Well, that would be an issue of nationalism, economics, and geography as opposed to race. Like the US of A, the US of Mexico has many different genetic races - European, Indian, African, with mestizo, mulatto, and sambo hybrids. |
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RockDrummer616
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I think that I'm not racist. I have a few prejudices (a few accents really bother me, especially Indian), but I think I'm able to ignore those and realize that we are all people and all deserve the same rights. |
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Tory_canuck
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Age: 23
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Location: Red Deer, Alberta, Canada
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I do not consider myself a racist.Anyone who is qualified, should have the right to a job, regardless of what their skin colour or ethnicity."Affirmative Action" is racist because it discriminates against whites. whereby, someone of a minority who is less qualified than the white applicant, still gets precedent over the white applicant because of their skin colour.The Canadian Indian Reserve system is racist, because Natives are stuck on reserves and given handouts instead of hand ups.The reserves have perpetual poverty, addiction, alcaholism, and abuse because the children are given no opportunities to succeed because they are used to the life of living welfare check after welfare check, and no real motivation to get ahead and better themselves.The reserves are like little third world countries within a sovereign first world nation.In a sense, they are like the ghettos of nazi germany but there are no barbed wire fences or gestapo guards keeping them in.They are kept in by dependance, perpetual poverty, addiction, etc.The only way we can liberate them, is to abolish the reserve system, expropriate the land from the band leaders, and distribute the property each family lives on, to that family and have that property in that family's name.Then offer them job opportunities, rehabilitation, and counselling.
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DentArthurDent
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| claire333 wrote: | | I will not comment on what autistics think, but do not believe whites are the only ones who are racist. |
Well no, there is racism from all ethnicities, racism is a foul plague with which humanity is badly tainted, with nationalism a close second
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monty
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:01 am Post subject: |
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It's incredibly difficult not to feel enraged when I see the deterioration and decay of American cities. ... Shouldn't our cities be taken well care of? Shouldn't American cities be booming centers of tourism and industry as opposed to hellholes laden with crime and decay? Shouldn't urban inhabitants show some respect for the cities they live in?
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Well, the inner cities were abandoned by people with money and an intact culture - they moved to the suburbs. This created an opening for poor, uneducated people to move in. Sprinkle some drug abuse, unemployment and despair onto the mix based on transiency, and the results are predictable. We are seeing another round of this from the real estate boom and bust - 2 houses in my neighborhood are in foreclosure and the lawn is growing tall with weeds. There is a game of 'moving up' that many people play ... buy something 'better' further out when you can afford it. Better schools, bigger lawns farther away from the city in new towns.
Part of it is inevitable, but it is more pronounced in America. There is a frontier mentality - most people don't want to stay put and maintain a community - they love to move to new communities, build them, and abandon them. |
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b9
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| Quote: | | Are many autistics racist? |
i did not answer the poll because i can only talk for myself. i can not talk on behalf of many autistics.
also none of the options applied to me anyway.
i wonder why there is so much angst over the concept of "racism".
what is "racism"?
i have thought about it a bit and i think that the term is generally used to describe someone who looks down on another race and finds them inferior. it is also used to describe "hatred" toward another person because they are from a different race.
i am not that way at all. i believe all people have the same right to live.
but there is a second definition of "racist" that is the "implied" one.
if you can see and identify racial characteristics, are you racist?
i mean if you see a man who is black and has a flat nose and black woolly hair and looks like a negro, then you will say he looks like a negro if you are asked to say where you think he originates from.
that does not mean you think he is bad, but it means to many people that you are racist.
people often impute "racism" into any sentences that describe differences in race.
i am totally uneducated on this so sorry you grads, but i think that there are 5 phenotypes (that i remember).
they are "caucasoid" and "mongoloid" and "negroid" and "australoid" and "capoid" strains.
i am caucasoid and negros are negroid, and asians and north american indians etc are mongoloid, and australian aborigines are australoid. i do not know what capoid is really.
i can see that there are differences in various aptitudes between those phenotypes. that may make me racist in another sense.
but i do believe that everyone deserves the same chance to live their life no matter who they are. animals are also in this belief (of course). |
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SunnyDragon
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| Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2009 1:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Personally, I find no problems with the way people look, because im not one to judge. It was never about that. It's just the way some people behave, "steriotypical behavior" you could say, like "gangsters" for example. I judge people by their character. I have friends of all ethnicities, but there are some people who are cruel, not only to me but everyone. There will always be different types of people. You cannot hate a person for their evolutionary features, because it has nothing to do with intellegence or creativity. That part depends on their environment and how they were raised. I think that each person has different views on this, and that to say if "are many autistic people are rasist" is semi - irrelavent. I can understand the socialogy aspect of this though and the pyscological aspect. I also think that it isn't only white people who can be racist. It is rediculous who in class some poeple of different ethnicities can misbehave, and when the teacher sends them out for being disruptive they bring out the "racist" card. Im just ranting, ignore me XD |
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Khan_Sama
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| ryan93 wrote: | | Despite my extensive arguing about "racism and doublethink", I'm not actually racist and don't hold racist views. I do see everyone as equal until they prove otherwise themselves. But I think that preserving culture in general is important, and not just white culture; Every culture is valuable and should be preserved. But I don't see skin colour as a factor in preserving culture, an Indian girl can be as British as a white person imo. But I think if someone moves to a country they should adopt that culture, as I don't like the idea of national cultures being diluted to the point that visiting england is the same as visiting france, apart from the language difference |
Culture has nothing to do with the topic. Also, cultural assimilation is unavoidable, it has always taken place, and will always continue to do so. An ancient example would be Greco-Roman culture, Greco-Celt culture, or Indo-Scythian culture. A modern example would be the Japanese culture which is a fusion of western and eastern culture.
It's up to the individual whether he/she is up to preserving cultural heritage. Cultural heritage can't be preserved by force.
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Peko
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: Are autistics racist? |
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Can only speak for myself here; I do not care about race (racial differences are only b/c of how much melanin your skin cells synthesize)  . Everyone is obviously equal (just compare everyone's palms)  . I have had friends of multiple races & try to avoid generalizing. Though I will admit race is necessary in some cases for identification and medical purposes. Its a touchy area though. |
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vibratetogether
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| Timeisdead, I share your concerns regarding the degradation of American cities, but in my view, illegal immigration has little to nothing to do with this phenomena. I think you should be looking more at the decline of America's manufacturing base, white flight, and the lack of proper funding of infrastructure improvements. |
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timeisdead
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| monty wrote: | | timeisdead wrote: |
It's incredibly difficult not to feel enraged when I see the deterioration and decay of American cities. ... Shouldn't our cities be taken well care of? Shouldn't American cities be booming centers of tourism and industry as opposed to hellholes laden with crime and decay? Shouldn't urban inhabitants show some respect for the cities they live in?
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Well, the inner cities were abandoned by people with money and an intact culture - they moved to the suburbs. This created an opening for poor, uneducated people to move in. Sprinkle some drug abuse, unemployment and despair onto the mix based on transiency, and the results are predictable. We are seeing another round of this from the real estate boom and bust - 2 houses in my neighborhood are in foreclosure and the lawn is growing tall with weeds. There is a game of 'moving up' that many people play ... buy something 'better' further out when you can afford it. Better schools, bigger lawns farther away from the city in new towns.
Part of it is inevitable, but it is more pronounced in America. There is a frontier mentality - most people don't want to stay put and maintain a community - they love to move to new communities, build them, and abandon them. |
But how is poverty an excuse to rape and murder? |
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timeisdead
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| vibratetogether wrote: | | Timeisdead, I share your concerns regarding the degradation of American cities, but in my view, illegal immigration has little to nothing to do with this phenomena. I think you should be looking more at the decline of America's manufacturing base, white flight, and the lack of proper funding of infrastructure improvements. |
I did mention both problems separately. In Detroit, middle class whites as well as upwardly mobile blacks fled to the suburbs in droves during the 1960s, leaving nothing but a poor underclass without its educated peers. Many manufacturing jobs were lost in the city. In addition, many small business owners went elsewhere, fearing for their lives. Much of this stemmed from the riots and resulting racial tensions. The rioters had no excuse to torch the city into flames. I see poverty as no excuse to commit arson or to rape or murder innocent people. |
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