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buryuntime
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you seem to know a lot about IQ's can you tell me about mine? I don't know what means verbal or processing, etc and I got the results a long while ago but don't really know what to make of them :/ What are the scores out of, for instance on first part.
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Block Design 9
Similarities 11
Digit Span 8
Picture Concepts 7
Coding 8
Vocabulary 12
Letter-Number Seq 8
Matrix Reasoning 14
Comprehension 9
Symbol Search 9
Verbal Comp = 102
Perceptual Reasoning = 100
Working Memory = 88
Processing Speed = 91
Full Scale IQ = 96 |
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timeisdead
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| I found block design to be the most difficult portion of the Stanford Binet IQ test. |
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Poke
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My IQ is >3 standard deviations above mean, and I have no visualization ability. As I noted in another post a little bit ago, I just realized this a few weeks ago at the age of 30.
Have you looked at dfan's site? Google can't visualize, his site should be the first result.
That guy explains my condition very well.
It's like my mind deals solely in concepts.
If you say, "Picture a baby sitting on a alligator" --I could never in a million years conjure up a mental image of that, but I have an intellectual understanding of what a baby is and what an alligator is, and I can associate the "concept" of a baby with the "concept" of an alligator.
This type of "conceptual" thinking manifests itself in the way I use language.
For example, consider the concept of "dumbing down" or simplifying communication in order to reach a given audience. When I try to "dumb down" something, I usually end up doing the reverse--I become obsessed with finding the best words possible to explain the concept, and usually the best words I can find to explain a concept are more complicated and involved than... Uh...
See? There it is again. The concept makes sense in my head, it's just hard to find the right words for it.
I feel like I have to preface everything I say (apart from very simple small talk) with, "These are the best words I can think of to describe the concept I'm trying to describe. They are not perfect, they are merely the best ones I can come up with right now."
Another example of my "thinking in concepts" came up the other night when I was playing checkers with my wife. We came to a stalemate that I recognized instantly just by glancing at the position of the "chips" on the board. I said, "Okay, start over." My wife was confused. "We're at a stalemate," I said, "neither of us can win this game." Although my wife is intelligent, it took her a minute or two of examining the board before she understood why this was so.
Now, if you asked me to explain WHY we were at a stalemate, I wouldn't be able to. I could TRY to explain, but it would probably take me thousands of words, and even then I probably couldn't accurately describe the concept. |
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Sora
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: Re: High Performance IQ with no visualization ability. |
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| desdemona wrote: | | IIRC, Picture Completion has you put pictures in order to tell a coherent story. |
That would be Picture Arrangement if you do mean the cartoon/card stories would it.
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Wombat
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I can visualize with photographic clarity.
Plus I could take the tune "Pop goes the weasel" and hear it played on pipe organ and bagpipes just as clearly as if it was real.
When I read a novel I see the scenes and hear the characters voices like I was watching a movie. |
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Poke
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:40 am Post subject: |
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| That must be so cool. |
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j0sh
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Wombat wrote: | I can visualize with photographic clarity.
Plus I could take the tune "Pop goes the weasel" and hear it played on pipe organ and bagpipes just as clearly as if it was real.
When I read a novel I see the scenes and hear the characters voices like I was watching a movie. |
| Poke wrote: | | That must be so cool. |
I agree! Can we trade brains please Wombat? |
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j0sh
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| Poke wrote: | My IQ is >3 standard deviations above mean, and I have no visualization ability. As I noted in another post a little bit ago, I just realized this a few weeks ago at the age of 30.
Have you looked at dfan's site? Google can't visualize, his site should be the first result.
That guy explains my condition very well.
It's like my mind deals solely in concepts.
If you say, "Picture a baby sitting on a alligator" --I could never in a million years conjure up a mental image of that, but I have an intellectual understanding of what a baby is and what an alligator is, and I can associate the "concept" of a baby with the "concept" of an alligator.
This type of "conceptual" thinking manifests itself in the way I use language.
For example, consider the concept of "dumbing down" or simplifying communication in order to reach a given audience. When I try to "dumb down" something, I usually end up doing the reverse--I become obsessed with finding the best words possible to explain the concept, and usually the best words I can find to explain a concept are more complicated and involved than... Uh...
See? There it is again. The concept makes sense in my head, it's just hard to find the right words for it.
I feel like I have to preface everything I say (apart from very simple small talk) with, "These are the best words I can think of to describe the concept I'm trying to describe. They are not perfect, they are merely the best ones I can come up with right now."
Another example of my "thinking in concepts" came up the other night when I was playing checkers with my wife. We came to a stalemate that I recognized instantly just by glancing at the position of the "chips" on the board. I said, "Okay, start over." My wife was confused. "We're at a stalemate," I said, "neither of us can win this game." Although my wife is intelligent, it took her a minute or two of examining the board before she understood why this was so.
Now, if you asked me to explain WHY we were at a stalemate, I wouldn't be able to. I could TRY to explain, but it would probably take me thousands of words, and even then I probably couldn't accurately describe the concept. |
That's very interesting Poke. I think I understand what your saying. I think I do quite a bit of conceptual thinking too.
The way I would describe it is being able to juggle or play with ideas without those ideas being tied to images or words. I can explain the idea in words, but I don't have to follow a sequential process in words to manipulate the idea or look at it from another angle. |
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j0sh
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| Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2009 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| buryuntime wrote: | you seem to know a lot about IQ's can you tell me about mine? I don't know what means verbal or processing, etc and I got the results a long while ago but don't really know what to make of them :/ What are the scores out of, for instance on first part.
WJ-III
Block Design 9
Similarities 11
Digit Span 8
Picture Concepts 7
Coding 8
Vocabulary 12
Letter-Number Seq 8
Matrix Reasoning 14
Comprehension 9
Symbol Search 9
Verbal Comp = 102
Perceptual Reasoning = 100
Working Memory = 88
Processing Speed = 91
Full Scale IQ = 96 |
I wouldn't say I know allot. I've just been finding this kinda stuff interesting lately. I'm sure someone will bark at me and tell me I'm getting this completely wrong, but I'll give you my very laymen interpretation. Again, I could be totally wrong, so this is just for fun. Don't take my interpretation seriously.
Your verbal IQ and performance IQ are very close. I think this means that in general your ability do things like remember information, understand that information, and obtain/process new information is about equal.
Your long term memory is a little bit better than your working memory. Basically you have a larger tank to store information in for the long term than you have to work with processing information. A bigger computer hard drive with a little bit less RAM comparatively.
Your speed of processing information is a very slightly slower compared to your information storage and processing ability. But not by much at all.
Your highest subtest was matrix reasoning. You pay close attention to detail when gathering information, are good at organizing that information, and at reasoning and making sense of the information. |
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Poke
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| j0sh wrote: |
The way I would describe it is being able to juggle or play with ideas without those ideas being tied to images or words. |
Yeah, that sounds about right. |
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desdemona
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| Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:32 am Post subject: Re: High Performance IQ with no visualization ability. |
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| Sora wrote: | | desdemona wrote: | | IIRC, Picture Completion has you put pictures in order to tell a coherent story. |
That would be Picture Arrangement if you do mean the cartoon/card stories would it. |
Yes, that's the one associated with autism-- in that people with autism have lower scores than average. However, there is no way to use one test to tell what kind of disability someone has. I think that many of us would have quite different subtests. I had high Verbal and average Performance. My memory ones were relative low.
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matsuiny2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2009 5:24 am Post subject: Re: High Performance IQ with no visualization ability. |
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| j0sh wrote: | Hello,
I’ve been trying to make sense of this for a while. I’d appreciate any thoughts or theories that may explain this.
I have no mental imagery ability. I cannot create any images in my mind. This is with or without my eyes closed. I cannot picture colors, shapes, faces, ect. The only time I see mental images is when I am dreaming. From the researching I’ve done, it seems that almost everyone is capable of mental imagery to some degree regardless of their primary thinking style.
I expected this to greatly impact my Performance IQ score. I took the WAIS-III as part of my AS assessment. I was expecting my VIQ to be much higher than my PIQ for the above reason. But, my PIQ ended up being 14 points higher than my VIQ.
PIQ Subtests:
Picture Completion = 14
Digital Symbol Coding = 8
Block Design = 17
Matrix Reasoning = 17
Picture Arrangement = 14
It seems that Digital Symbol Coding was the only subtest that may of been impacted by not being able to visualize. And that would only be if standard way to take that portion of the test is to created a mental image of the key at the top of the paper… I don’t know if most people can do that or not.
It just seems like the IQ testing completely missed that I was missing a vital component of non-verbal information processing that just about everyone possesses.
This also got me thinking. Do any of you that have very high Verbal IQ’s compared to Performance IQ’s have visualization issues?
If yes, please try to describe your way of thinking. Do you have mind full of word knowledge that’s completely dethatched from a mental image?
If not, please try to describe your way of thinking. Do you have a massive index of mental images that are attached to facts or other types of knowledge?
Is it possible that the key to a high verbal IQ score is having superior non-verbal abilities in the area of visual imagery? It seems to me that good visualization ability could assist greatly in the Information, Similarities/Differences, and Digit Span subtests.
Does this make any sense?
Thanks,
Josh |
temproal lobe epilepsy. I have difficulty with visual imagery and have brain scans saying I have scarring.
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j0sh
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:56 pm Post subject: Re: High Performance IQ with no visualization ability. |
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| matsuiny2004 wrote: | | temproal lobe epilepsy. I have difficulty with visual imagery and have brain scans saying I have scarring. |
Wow! What odd timing. I never saw the last reply to this thread. I googled “what does "digital symbol coding" measure” because I am going to see a neurologist tomorrow and was planning on asking him about this. I found my own thread post as the 2nd result and a possible explanation in a reply I never saw. |
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wildgrape
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ok. What I find fascinating about this topic is the extraordinary variation among AS/autists. I have an exceptional and very unusual ability to visualize and manipulate mentally patterns and shapes. However, I don't believe that I generally think in pictures - I seem to think mostly in concepts. Obviously(?), when formulating something to say or write I am thinking verbally, but I generally do not think in words.
By the way, the patterns and shapes mentioned above must either be ones I have seen or be mathematical/geometrical (which I can form in my head). I have very limited ability to create novel pictures in my head, as some artists here do with apparent ease. On the other hand, I can remember paintings that I saw 30 years ago sufficiently to have no desire to return and see them again. Same with movies - I have no desire to watch the same movie twice because I remember too much of it.
I also have an ability to think intuitively at times. By this I mean that when solving problems that require a process of logic or deduction, sometimes I just immediately know the answer without mentally going through the process of logic or deduction. This has astonished people at times. In fact, it surprises me sometimes! Does anyone else experience this? |
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wildgrape
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| In case it is of interest to anyone, I should have mentioned above that I am autistic but do not present like a typical AS. I might also add, in case someone is interested, that I have almost no musical ability. I do appreciate most classical music, in particular Bach and other baroque music, and some vocals. Salsa and african music drive me nuts, and hard rock is even worse (may be a sensory issue). |
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