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mechanicalgirl39
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I know an Aspie who was in the military, he did fine.
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Don't tell them you are AS if you want to join. If you have an official diagnosis it's possible they could find out, though.
How well you handle being in the military depends on how afflicted you are with AS and its drawbacks.
It depends a lot on what your job is as well. You didn't mention what career field you want or are considering.
Some branches of the service and/or career fields would be better for you than others so choose carefully.
I would have to say that when I was in the air force it benefited me in many ways that I wouldn't have benefited from otherwise.
It was better socially and did a lot for my self confidence.
Keep in mind that you will pretty much certainly be sent far away from home and will lawfully be bound to fulfill your commitment. |
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I do think military life is easier for an Aspie because they tell you and everyone exactly what they expect. They have briefings for everything, not just your main mission, but safety briefings to go to the bar, to go hiking, financial briefings, etc. Unlike high school, the military will show you basic survival including surviving in the jungle, in warfare, and in society.
If you have been officially diagnosed, it will probably show up on a background check for a top secret clearance. It depends. THey can't take your medical records unless you sign something to release them, and even then, you usually pick the doc, and 9 times out of 10, your family doctor didn't diagnose you with Aspergers. But, in top secret clearance, they interview family and friends, and if they know about your condition, it will probably come out at some point in that process. So if you want to keep that secret, avoid jobs that require a top secret clearance. Besides, people with those generally have more rules to follow, and they got enough rules in the basic UCMJ to keep you on your toes. |
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Tantybi wrote;
| Quote: | | I do think military life is easier for an Aspie because they tell you and everyone exactly what they expect. They have briefings for everything, not just your main mission, but safety briefings to go to the bar, to go hiking, financial briefings, etc. Unlike high school, the military will show you basic survival including surviving in the jungle, in warfare, and in society. |
Depends on what branch.
In the air force there's not as much guidance and intrusion. A lot of things are pretty much left up to the discression of the individual but you are expected to use good judgement. The degree of training beyond basic depends a lot on your job. |
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Tantybi
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| Raptor wrote: | Tantybi wrote;
| Quote: | | I do think military life is easier for an Aspie because they tell you and everyone exactly what they expect. They have briefings for everything, not just your main mission, but safety briefings to go to the bar, to go hiking, financial briefings, etc. Unlike high school, the military will show you basic survival including surviving in the jungle, in warfare, and in society. |
Depends on what branch.
In the air force there's not as much guidance and intrusion. A lot of things are pretty much left up to the discression of the individual but you are expected to use good judgement. The degree of training beyond basic depends a lot on your job. |
I was talking Air Force. I did Civil Engineering, and my training was job specific, but they do all these little "briefings" that don't go on your PIF regarding a lot of the daily things. Only problem with the Air Force now a days is that they really aren't looking for people right now, so manpower is a little more disposable. Plus, they have a different mentality than the other branches where they maintain standards as opposed to the Devil Dog Exceed Standards, and snitching is rewarded which isn't team work, and those with rank get it because of either time in service (which actually does mean something in the Chair Force now a days since they will kick you out for nothing) or because they know how to suck up Air Force style. Air Force, I guess the whole branch is like their PT test. You know you can pass the run time if you just run, but to pass it doing the Air Force shuffle, now that's skill. |
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legionsdad
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| i was a parachute rigger in the Army for 7 years. I packed personal and heavy drop chutes and veiches, millions of dollars of military stuff; I was even a load inspector. i trained with the italian rigger/ jump school, jumped with the 1st female italian paratrooper. Sear training seemed like home life. My only downfall was the board for promation. Stayed a e-4 for 7 years, till my back injury pushed me out. |
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Tantybi
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| legionsdad wrote: | | i was a parachute rigger in the Army for 7 years. I packed personal and heavy drop chutes and veiches, millions of dollars of military stuff; I was even a load inspector. i trained with the italian rigger/ jump school, jumped with the 1st female italian paratrooper. Sear training seemed like home life. My only downfall was the board for promation. Stayed a e-4 for 7 years, till my back injury pushed me out. |
I think it is harder for Aspies to make rank because we just clash with personality, but I seriously think we'd do better in the Corps for rank. |
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legionsdad
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| Tantybi wrote: | | legionsdad wrote: | | i was a parachute rigger in the Army for 7 years. I packed personal and heavy drop chutes and veiches, millions of dollars of military stuff; I was even a load inspector. i trained with the italian rigger/ jump school, jumped with the 1st female italian paratrooper. Sear training seemed like home life. My only downfall was the board for promation. Stayed a e-4 for 7 years, till my back injury pushed me out. |
I think it is harder for Aspies to make rank because we just clash with personality, but I seriously think we'd do better in the Corps for rank. |
if we got rank through our ablity to solider, I would out rank all my peers! In basic training, the drill sergents would try to make a example out me through physical activity, I would always ending up calling them the pussies that need to workout more. What a joke! |
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Tantybi
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| legionsdad wrote: | | Tantybi wrote: | | legionsdad wrote: | | i was a parachute rigger in the Army for 7 years. I packed personal and heavy drop chutes and veiches, millions of dollars of military stuff; I was even a load inspector. i trained with the italian rigger/ jump school, jumped with the 1st female italian paratrooper. Sear training seemed like home life. My only downfall was the board for promation. Stayed a e-4 for 7 years, till my back injury pushed me out. |
I think it is harder for Aspies to make rank because we just clash with personality, but I seriously think we'd do better in the Corps for rank. |
if we got rank through our ablity to solider, I would out rank all my peers! In basic training, the drill sergents would try to make a example out me through physical activity, I would always ending up calling them the pussies that need to workout more. What a joke! |
LOL, but I totally agree. In the Air Force, you get rank by kissing butt and time in service. I'm not sure how it works in the Army, but I think you have to be in that "circle of trust." But I noticed Marines get rank for actual ability. This one marine I dated in tech school was not well loved by other marines because he was particular about keeping his nose clean and exceeding standards (he did do bad things with the rest of them, but he was far smarter about getting caught). In other words, he was sh** hot and he knew it and he made sure everyone else did. Either way, he did Motor T in tech school, and he was chosen based on ability alone to continue to a second class on it while his regular class started being shipped out to their first duty stations. So then he graduated on top of his class with that (which is where we kinda stopped seeing each other because he was too busy for me), and then on his way to Okinawa (however you spell it), they yanked him for Officer Training paying for him to go to school and just go to school in his home town as active duty so he can commission. As far as the other marines in tech school, it appears that they gain rank easily and lose it just as easily, and it was all performance based. What would get you a Letter of Appreciation in the Air Force would move you up in rank in the Corps, but what would get you a Letter of Reprimand in the Air Force would drop you rank in the Corps. I think it functions better that way because I never met an incompetant guy with rank in the Corps like I do in the other branches. |
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Crassus
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"Doing Bad Things" is being a good marine. Not getting caught is being a better marine. Knowing your strengths and limitations and the strengths and limitations of others is leadership. Doing REALLY bad things and having nobody even suspect they were being done until after the fact is being a SEAL. The service as a whole is all about the mission and the Corps has very specialized individuals carrying out very specific missions with extreme precision and confidence. It also has a lot of people with the maturity of a 14-year old.
| Quote: | | A standard pattern of actions for dealing with single or multiple assailants firing with a possible mixture of handguns, automatic weapons or grenade launchers from one or more different directions simultaneously. Loud noises, bright flashes of light, a constantly and rapidly changing environment, the pressure of imminent injury and/or death, strangers with lethally hostile intent. Hmm. Good luck with that. |
They specifically name that good training Standard Operating Procedure. The military is extremely procedural, that is why you can't question your orders. You already know why you are supposed to do it, you were told by a superior to do it so you go do it. Wasting time asking why or saying I'd rather do it this way creates the habit of asking why or saying I'd rather do it this way and that gets people killed when I say MOVE UP AND COVER FROM INSIDE THAT HOUSE as my convoy is taking rpg fire and you go But why that house clearly that other building over there is a preferable spot. If you were the one given the role of determining which building then you would be choosing that other building and if your commander was your subordinate he would be thinking but why not that house, but either of you should not think about it if that is not your role, your role is to establish a position you were assigned and cover from it. To execute this action with speed and precision.
There is the right way, the wrong way, and the military way. Right and wrong don't matter, action matters, the mission matters, accomplishing the objectives of the mission according to their priority is how the larger mission advances and when you are in situations where you are the senior agent making the choices in situations, those choices will be judged by your superiors later to determine fitness for promotion so that you can be the one deciding where the cover comes from. You will still be receiving orders from somebody about what things you are supposed to be covering though and you just manage your men to cover that thing according to your ability and the protocols of military action, the Standard Operating Procedure of your job.
One of the things commonly misunderstood about military recruitment is that they really do recruit the best of the best. They just don't care about the same things other people do, they recruit people who are mutable. Then they figure out what this mutable person should be able to excel at and break them down and build them into the best performer of specific tasks they can possibly be. They end up with Hyper Specialties that are coordinated into the massive military-industrial complex seen in america today. Sure that jarhead sure is academically stupid, but how many physics professors do you know that can hike 100 miles across a desert wearing kit that weighs as much as he does, fire a single shot and put a round through the head of a hostile from a mile away, hike back, and at the end of it all shout HUA when he's asked to do it all over again? |
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legionsdad
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| I want to be clear about my last comment. Every task I learned in the army I took as life and death skills I must master, I lived it. Alot of my friends at the time joined for the college money. I got laughed at for being too serious?? I know I wouldn't of been a great commander, but no one thought twice about my corner! My corner and your 6 was covered, believe that with your life. That's all I meant. Just didn't want to step on any toes with misunderstandings. |
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Tantybi
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| legionsdad wrote: | | I want to be clear about my last comment. Every task I learned in the army I took as life and death skills I must master, I lived it. Alot of my friends at the time joined for the college money. I got laughed at for being too serious?? I know I wouldn't of been a great commander, but no one thought twice about my corner! My corner and your 6 was covered, believe that with your life. That's all I meant. Just didn't want to step on any toes with misunderstandings. |
Actually, you might have made a very great commander if politics wasn't an issue (I noticed politics gets thicker the higher up you go). Even then, you might be a master of politics even if trained to handle it. I do wish more guys were like you taking their job that serious in the military. I don't think many Air Force personnel even know where my six might be, although Call of Duty 4 has helped them out with some of that,  |
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| Crassus wrote: | "Doing Bad Things" is being a good marine. Not getting caught is being a better marine. Knowing your strengths and limitations and the strengths and limitations of others is leadership. Doing REALLY bad things and having nobody even suspect they were being done until after the fact is being a SEAL. The service as a whole is all about the mission and the Corps has very specialized individuals carrying out very specific missions with extreme precision and confidence. It also has a lot of people with the maturity of a 14-year old.
| Quote: | | A standard pattern of actions for dealing with single or multiple assailants firing with a possible mixture of handguns, automatic weapons or grenade launchers from one or more different directions simultaneously. Loud noises, bright flashes of light, a constantly and rapidly changing environment, the pressure of imminent injury and/or death, strangers with lethally hostile intent. Hmm. Good luck with that. |
They specifically name that good training Standard Operating Procedure. The military is extremely procedural, that is why you can't question your orders. You already know why you are supposed to do it, you were told by a superior to do it so you go do it. Wasting time asking why or saying I'd rather do it this way creates the habit of asking why or saying I'd rather do it this way and that gets people killed when I say MOVE UP AND COVER FROM INSIDE THAT HOUSE as my convoy is taking rpg fire and you go But why that house clearly that other building over there is a preferable spot. If you were the one given the role of determining which building then you would be choosing that other building and if your commander was your subordinate he would be thinking but why not that house, but either of you should not think about it if that is not your role, your role is to establish a position you were assigned and cover from it. To execute this action with speed and precision.
There is the right way, the wrong way, and the military way. Right and wrong don't matter, action matters, the mission matters, accomplishing the objectives of the mission according to their priority is how the larger mission advances and when you are in situations where you are the senior agent making the choices in situations, those choices will be judged by your superiors later to determine fitness for promotion so that you can be the one deciding where the cover comes from. You will still be receiving orders from somebody about what things you are supposed to be covering though and you just manage your men to cover that thing according to your ability and the protocols of military action, the Standard Operating Procedure of your job.
One of the things commonly misunderstood about military recruitment is that they really do recruit the best of the best. They just don't care about the same things other people do, they recruit people who are mutable. Then they figure out what this mutable person should be able to excel at and break them down and build them into the best performer of specific tasks they can possibly be. They end up with Hyper Specialties that are coordinated into the massive military-industrial complex seen in america today. Sure that jarhead sure is academically stupid, but how many physics professors do you know that can hike 100 miles across a desert wearing kit that weighs as much as he does, fire a single shot and put a round through the head of a hostile from a mile away, hike back, and at the end of it all shout HUA when he's asked to do it all over again? |
I just want to make a couple minute corrections here. First, Marines are actually pretty smart. While some are capable of higher arithmetic functions, that's not exactly a pre-requisite to intelligence. The ASVAB is the same no matter what branch; however the marines judge the results a little more stricter than other branches. I would say the Marine Corps and the Air Force have the strictest requirements for getting in (overall). Some things you can waiver out of easier in the Marine Corps than the Air Force (i.e. certain criminal records), but the Air Force doesn't require you being able to do x-amount of pull ups to get in (although that might change soon as they are increasing their PT standards having no clue that Marines and Army are better fit not because of better PT but because of physically strenuous training...basically they kill people).
Second, at the end of it all, Army will shout HUA (acronym for Heard Understood Acknowledged). Marines shout OORAH (Turkish for kill). Air Force shouts Hoorah which means absolutely nothing.
I don't know much about the Navy, and I think considering it a military branch is like considering cheerleading a sport. I've only had bad experiences with them.... They screwed my Uncle out of a few million dollars (but part of that was either my uncle's fault or his partners), and in tech school a couple Navy guys made fun of autistic people calling us retards. I also stood up for a manly chic in the Navy that the Air Force was making fun of, in formation at that, and then she turned around and made fun of me instead. While in tech school also, a Navy instructor kept leaving me notes in my notebook telling me how pretty I was and how much he wished he could date me and stuff like that. Yeah, it creeped me out a bit. Oh, and MCMAPS would take on average a few minutes to drop an Army guy and a few seconds (if that) to drop a Navy one. And I did work for a civilian prior service Navy who specialized in accounting in the Navy, and he knew nothing about Accounting (like less than high school accounting equivalant). But Navy Seals (like the host of future weapons), now they are hot, but most of them are marines anyway.
Oh, and I did do tech school with all four branches, and the Air Force and Marines excelled the most in the classroom environment. Navy and Army just didn't take it seriously. Navy thought it was a joke (as everything appeared to be a joke to them), and Army figured they were not going to be doing that job as much as shooting people, so they took combat training seriously instead. Marines had the same mentality as the Army, but they couldn't stand losing that they ended up putting forth the effort to outwit the rest of the branches. A Marine losing to the Air Force in anything is humiliating to them. |
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Crassus
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I specifically said might be academically stupid, and actually referenced somebody who is incredibly smart when it comes to applied calculus, a sniper. My point is that they are incredibly smart at things not usually thought of as smarts. The ability to perform higher arithmetic functions is not a pre-requisite it IS intelligence. The ability to perform complex physical routines is intelligence.
I really enjoyed the way you said I don't know much about this thing, but here is my asinine judgment of hundreds of thousands of men who served their country alongside every other service member and bled the same blood.
I come from a Navy family and they will shout whatever shout seems apropos. Especially my Marine Corpmen Grandfather who liked to use UMPAH LOOMPAH. The acronym's we make up are not the important part, the AYE,AYE(I understand, I will comply) is important. These days more and more "who-ahhh" is the shout of choice used by all the various military people I personally know, none of them really care what is said. The fervent show of acknowledgement to demonstrate a preparedness to go get some. The Marine corp IS the Navy technically, falling under the purview of the Department of the Navy and deploying from Navy ships and planes, even though they have a distinct leadership hierarchy. Considering a military branch anything other than a military branch is just politics. They all fall under the heading of The United States armed forces.
Painting an entire group with the actions of individuals is politics as well. Shall I seek out a few members of other service branches to say all sorts of silly things so that I can accuse that branch of being a lesser branch? Shall I start talking about how the Navy and Air Force score better on IQ tests? Your personal anecdotes are no more or less than my own personal anecdotes, I am very familiar with the sibling rivalry of the branches fighting for the loving dollar bills of big daddy DoD. Of course losing in anything to a "lesser" branch is "humiliating". There are a lot of people with the maturity of a 14-year old, and they aren't just constrained to military.
I leave you with the anecdote passed down by the Rangers:
On D-Day, 1944, on Omaha Beach, near the sea cliffs at Point Du Hoc, General Cota, the 29th Division Assistant Division Commander, jogged down the beach toward a group of Rangers from the 2nd Ranger Battalion, and asked, "Where's your commanding officer?" They pointed him out and said, "Down there, sir."
General Cota reportedly followed their direction and, on his way down the beach, said, "Lead the way, Rangers!"
The Rangers from 2nd Bat reportedly said, "WHO, US!?" General Cota thought he heard them say "HOOAH!" He was so impressed with their cool and calm demeanor, not to mention their cool term, hooah, he decided to make it a household name.
PS The Turkish word for kill is "oldurmek" |
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| Crassus wrote: | I specifically said might be academically stupid, and actually referenced somebody who is incredibly smart when it comes to applied calculus, a sniper. My point is that they are incredibly smart at things not usually thought of as smarts. The ability to perform higher arithmetic functions is not a pre-requisite it IS intelligence. The ability to perform complex physical routines is intelligence.
I really enjoyed the way you said I don't know much about this thing, but here is my asinine judgment of hundreds of thousands of men who served their country alongside every other service member and bled the same blood.
I come from a Navy family and they will shout whatever shout seems apropos. Especially my Marine Corpmen Grandfather who liked to use UMPAH LOOMPAH. The acronym's we make up are not the important part, the AYE,AYE(I understand, I will comply) is important. These days more and more "who-ahhh" is the shout of choice used by all the various military people I personally know, none of them really care what is said. The fervent show of acknowledgement to demonstrate a preparedness to go get some. The Marine corp IS the Navy technically, falling under the purview of the Department of the Navy and deploying from Navy ships and planes, even though they have a distinct leadership hierarchy. Considering a military branch anything other than a military branch is just politics. They all fall under the heading of The United States armed forces.
Painting an entire group with the actions of individuals is politics as well. Shall I seek out a few members of other service branches to say all sorts of silly things so that I can accuse that branch of being a lesser branch? Shall I start talking about how the Navy and Air Force score better on IQ tests? Your personal anecdotes are no more or less than my own personal anecdotes, I am very familiar with the sibling rivalry of the branches fighting for the loving dollar bills of big daddy DoD. Of course losing in anything to a "lesser" branch is "humiliating". There are a lot of people with the maturity of a 14-year old, and they aren't just constrained to military.
I leave you with the anecdote passed down by the Rangers:
On D-Day, 1944, on Omaha Beach, near the sea cliffs at Point Du Hoc, General Cota, the 29th Division Assistant Division Commander, jogged down the beach toward a group of Rangers from the 2nd Ranger Battalion, and asked, "Where's your commanding officer?" They pointed him out and said, "Down there, sir."
General Cota reportedly followed their direction and, on his way down the beach, said, "Lead the way, Rangers!"
The Rangers from 2nd Bat reportedly said, "WHO, US!?" General Cota thought he heard them say "HOOAH!" He was so impressed with their cool and calm demeanor, not to mention their cool term, hooah, he decided to make it a household name.
PS The Turkish word for kill is "oldurmek" |
On the Navy thing, I was merely pointing out that my only little experience with them is bad experience. Yes, I'm well aware the Marine Corps on paper falls under the Navy, but I'm also well aware that Marines are killers who exceed expectations, and so far the only thing I've seen about the Navy is that they treat everything like a joke. It might of been different years back, and I've met some retired Navy from the Vienam era that I would wager could take down a young marine ripe out of boot camp, but that was the Navy then. I only pointed it out because I noticed their omission in my post and was explaining that my opinion of them is piss poor and this is why I seem to leave them out. I mentioned the experiences because we aren't talking a couple little things, we are talking millions of dollars, of my family's dollars to include my family's name. When the Navy screws you out of a couple million and you still have a nice opinion of them, then you can lecture me.
BTW, no marine truly shouts whatever comes to mind. It's oorah, oorah devil dogs, semper fi, or something in relation to the corps, not the army, not the air force, not charlie and the chocolate factory, unless they are being quasi facetious, which would be very rare as Marines have the utmost respect for their traditions. Your example of your grandpa shouting out crazy things at the dinner table is far different than the battle cry your grandpa would use before, during, and after battle.
I was trying to be nice about you doing the same thing I did with the Navy...the generalizing thing you know. Probably why I felt so comfortable enough to do it to begin with seeing how as you had no problem doing that to Marines. Seriously, most marines are pretty smart on paper too. I promise you, out of all the people I met in the military, the marines were the ones I found to be the smartest, easiest to get along with, more mature, and the better gentlemen (and much better in bed). There's a reason why if you want a mission to be successful, you call in the marines. The only thing the Air Force has on The Corps is better toys and gadgets (like the things that go boom instead of bang), and money for the bases...base housing is exquisite in the Air Force, especially in Space Command. But if you are comparing ASVAB scores, Marines configure theirs differently (in fact I think all branches figure their own composite), so you really can't compare between branches. Like my ASVAB score is also my Air Force composite of 95. I'm sure it would be much lower if it were whatever they call it, the Marine Corps composite? Actually, a wise person would score high in the field he/she wants to work in and low in the other areas to help ascertain a certain job. That's how I ended up in a trade position as opposed to administration.
As far as intelligence, we can argue the definition all we want, but I'm not interested in such debates as it's one of those questions that the Tao would consider a waste of time to ponder because it's one of those unanswerable questions like why do we exist?
As far as | Quote: | | I really enjoyed the way you said I don't know much about this thing, but here is my asinine judgment of hundreds of thousands of men who served their country alongside every other service member and bled the same blood. |
Judge not less ye be judged. In other words, if you hate the Bible, there's the pot calling the kettle black.
If you ever did serve in the military, you would quickly learn that each branch has it's own unique culture. It doesn't necessarily make one better than the other, but it does make one easily have preference to one over the other.
HUA (also HOOAH which some jerk in Hollywood bought the trademark for as well as Hooyah) is an Army Thing. Again, my love for The Corps has to point out that The Marine Corps has a much broader vocabulary, which includes latin, if you are merely comparing branches.
The history of Oorah...
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| Quote: | Oorah is a spirited cry common to United States Marines since the mid-20th century. It is comparable to the "Huaa" (heard, understood, and accepted - pronounced Hooah) cry used in the Army, but is probably more commonly used among Marines than "Huaa" would be in the Army. It is most commonly used to respond in the affirmative to a question, to acknowledge an order, or as an expression of enthusiasm.
The 1st Amphibious Reconnaissance Company, FMFPAC can be credited with the introduction of "Oorah!" into the Corps in 1953, shortly after the Korean War. Recon Marines served aboard the submarine USS Perch, ASSP-313, which was a WWII diesel submarine retrofitted to carry Navy UDT and Recon Marines. As is commonly depicted in war movies, whenever the boat was to dive, the PA system would announce "DIVE! DIVE!", followed by the sound of a horn: "AARUGHA!".
In 1953 or 1954, while on a conditioning run, one of the 1st Amphibious Recon Marines imitated the "Dive" horn sound "AARUGHA!" as part of the cadence, and it naturally became a part of the Recon cadence while on runs, and thereafter infiltrated Recon Marine lexicon. Over time, "AARUGHA!" morphed into the shorter, simpler "Oorah!" Today, the official Marine Corps Training Reference Manual on the history of Marine Recon is titled "AARUGHA!"
Former Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps John Massaro, while serving as the company Gunnery Sergeant of 1st Force Amphibious Recon in the late 1950s, accquired "Oorah!" and took it with him when he went to serve as an instructor at the Drill Instructor school at Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego. He there passed it on to the Drill Instructor students and they, in turn, passed it on to their recruits.
Owing to its relatively recent origins, it is less common for Marines who served in Vietnam or earlier to be familiar with "Oorah!", but most post-Vietnam Marines will have learned it throughout their careers.
Several apocryphal origins of "Oorah!" exist. One has it that the term is Turkish for "Kill". How a Turkish word entered the Marine Corps is not typically explained. In fact, the Turkish word for "kill" is "öldürmek". However, the Russian battlecry of "Urrah!" can supposedly be traced to the Turkish word for "Kill."
A shortened version of "Oorah!" can come out as a short, sharp, monosyllabic gutteral "Er!"
Retired Marine Corps Gunnery Sergeant, Drill Instructor and Hollywood actor R. Lee Ermey is known for using "Oorah!" frequently on the History Channel program Mail Call, which he hosts.
"Oorah" and "Hooah" may also be variations of the earlier "Hurrah", which was a common shout used by English-speaking soldiers in the past. |
Also on the maturity level of a 14 year old, that probably holds true more so in the civilian world than the military. Basic training is designed to turn boys into men, picking up where the parents failed. But, you might be working off Navy, so then I see why you would get that  |
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