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Can we join the military with Asperger's?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

before i lost my ability to talk a few months ago i passed all except the physical and i was not able to lose enough weight with no surgery
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

legionsdad wrote:
I just wonder if it will effect my disablity? It dosen't change the fact my body is broken. I'm 99.9% sure I'm a aspie, my mom even confirmed that the term "aspergers" is very familar to her from my childhood; she didn't want to hold me back. To DX or not to DX, that is the question!


I would think the physical problems you mentioned would get you 100% in of itself, and Aspergers would have no effect on that; however, some symptoms that are Asperger in nature can be confused for PTSD. So basically, if a percentage of your disability is based on a psychological disorder/syndrome, then you probably wouldn't want to deal with your Aspergers through the VA Center.

All you military people reading this, you pretty much get an instant 10% if you hear a ringing (or an unusual sound) in your ears (which also could be a heightened sense related to Aspergers), but that instant 10 is for tinnitus, so don't mention Aspergers either to whoever is testing your hearing (just in case they do know anything about it).

It's one of those things where nobody could really determine what is Aspergers and what is something else, so I figure tinnitus could be a symptom of Aspergers but it doesn't change the fact that you hear something in your ears on occassion. Same with the other symptoms of Aspergers that could be confused for other disorders (in combination) that are considered military related conditions by the VA Center. But, if you help the VA determine that your problem isn't military related but that it was genetic, then you are fighting against yourself when it comes to your claim, and considering you might very well be wrong, maybe you are better off to omit your professional opinions and let the VA make their own determinations. Remember, you can see a civilian psychologist and decide if you want those records transferred to the VA or not (that's your decision).
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 11:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crassus wrote:
I think I'd rather have the person getting the anti-depressants they need have the fully auto weapon than the individual who needs them but is not receiving them.


Tantybi, passionate debate leads to strong rhetoric, and an open centered mind leads to understanding. The question is not whether or not one is being defensive or someone is giving offense, the question is why you are having the reaction you are having and it is through the playing out of the conflict with the willing participant that both parties grow. I'm a big fan of Hong Kong Martial Arts movies. Jet Li, Jackie Chan, Sammo Hung, Sammy Chiba, Bruce Lee, Brandon Lee etc (Michelle Yeoh!!). So yes, I've seen Twin Warriors. It is through the playing out of the conflict with his childhood friend that Li's character comes to understand that his Masters at the monastery were trying to teach them not to be contentious. To be strong warriors who defeat things far more dangerous than other combatants. To instead channel their energy through themselves in pursuit of the Highest Good.

The Warriors of old understood that the culmination in the necessity of defeating an enemy combatant in a fight, was a symbol of their failure. They are able to defend themselves from any possible physical attack on their person because they have moved beyond the purely physical and so enter into an uneven fight with the aggressor. They are expected to operate on another plane, to be able to use rationality and reason to lead the aggressor to a less aggressive path. They are capable of defending themselves from any physical attack so that they can better live outside of fear, it is through living outside of fear that they are capable of defending themselves from any physical attack. Fear should motivate and no more. The rational good thinking mind only performs good actions.

I undertake the precept to abstain from doing harm to living things. I undertake the precept to abstain from taking that which is not freely given. When our eyes meet across the battlefield of debate, and we bow our heads in respect to each other, all perceived harms that come of the debate are only our perceptions. We asked this other party to offer those things we see as unjust attacks, we see our own reflection.


I only mentioned the movie because you seem to mention a lot of the Tao and it was a big theme throughout the movie. I really liked how they took some intangible concepts and made it more tangible. I've heard there is a martial arts that is associated to the Tao, and I cannot remember the name of it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you misunderstood my point. I am 100% disablied bc of my neck, back and knees, I don't want to loose disablity bc I have aspergers and shouldn't of been in the military in the first place. See what I am saying?
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Since i can't be ars- err, i mean making a new thread might make the forum look untidy i thought i'd post my question here.

I have way more brains then brawn and i've been told by others i have leadership and communication skills (despite me being socially inept) that are beyond most other people.

Would i be able to take up a rear line commision in planning what actually happens on the battlefield rather then be fighting on the 'front if i have AS?'
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

legionsdad wrote:
I think you misunderstood my point. I am 100% disablied bc of my neck, back and knees, I don't want to loose disablity bc I have aspergers and shouldn't of been in the military in the first place. See what I am saying?


Oh, my bad. No they couldn't do that. I don't think they will not consider you eligible for the military because of Aspergers, unless you are so bad off that they questioned your ability and then discovered a form of autism. Even then, you served in the military, and your disabilities are a result of that service. Your Aspergers doesn't change that. I really believe that even if you shouldn't have been in the military for another reason like they overlooked this awful criminal record you held (hypothetically speaking), unless they find a way to change your discharge (which I doubt they'd do at that point), then it wouldn't affect your disability, and even then, if the military changed the classification of your discharge, the VA may still see it as eligible for their benefits. I know many people with a dishonorable discharge collecting disability, but they had to write a letter explaining the events around their discharge for the VA to consider.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

JPanzer wrote:
Since i can't be ars- err, i mean making a new thread might make the forum look untidy i thought i'd post my question here.

I have way more brains then brawn and i've been told by others i have leadership and communication skills (despite me being socially inept) that are beyond most other people.

Would i be able to take up a rear line commision in planning what actually happens on the battlefield rather then be fighting on the 'front if i have AS?'


No I doubt that. Military needs come first, and if they don't need you, then they won't use you. However, you can increase your odds of a job like that by getting a four year degree and commissioning as an officer. If you really hate all the bronze associated to the military, my suggestion is to consider going into the healthcare fields of the military and have the military pay your way through medical school, and go Air Force. The reason being, even if in a combat area, medics are not allowed to be shot at according to LOAC (it doesn't always work that way, but it reduces the risk of you having to point and shoot). Another one is religion. They have pastors of many religious denominations and priests commission as officers and they aren't allowed to be shot at according to LOAC either. Talk to a recruiter (for officers, not enlisted) first before you embark on your degree plans. But if you don't have a degree and want to sign up now, then you'll be enlisting. Enlisted people who plan and lead get to do that after time in service and making lots of rank (we are talking 15-20 years in). They had to do everything else everyone else gets to before that, and they had to do it better than most to be able to get that.

Officers in all four branches are expected to be physically fit, and generally, they are expected to be better at all the aspects of the military than the enlisted, which includes killing people and shooting weapons as well as the work ethic. In order to be a leader in the military, you have to embrace all of the military's expectations and exceed it, no matter the branch. The higher the rank, the more politics that come with it. You can have great communication skills, but you have to learn how to make friends if you want to move up in ranks or keep your current standing.

The only way a person (AS or not) can get a job like what you described without having to do any fighting would be to run for President of the United States, or be chosen by the President for one of the many civilian leadership roles with the Dept. of Defense.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My commander medically discharged me, he didn't want me to hurt myself any farther. I have a honorable discharge. It's good to hear Va can't screw me. Might look into it.

JPanzer, all depends on your job (mos).
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