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16 Apr 2011, 3:27 pm

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Holly is an NT, she is appropriate, well adjusted and regular - she'll live a full and satisfying life, she will never change the world with a groundbreaking new way of looking at things, she wont produce brilliant art or science or poetry, because my friends, no brilliant scientist or artist was ever mentally stable, the crazies change the world.


Nice strawman argument there, bub.


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16 Apr 2011, 3:50 pm

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I do have problems but I am not defined by them ...

I now realise ... NT people ... tell each other how to think and they make up random phrases without thinking about the actual meaning of them ...

So, they also have problems but are not defined by them?


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16 Apr 2011, 3:54 pm

Usually when people use that phrase, they don't literally mean that the person is in constant pain and agony from their condition. They just mean that the condition is in some way detrimental to normal functioning.



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16 Apr 2011, 4:06 pm

I think you folks are missing my point here by focusing on my upbeat ending to by short analogy.

"Holly is suffering from a lack of obsessional interest, and I suffer from obsessional interest." consider that statement
everyone is blessed and cursed with how they're born, NT or not.


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16 Apr 2011, 4:06 pm

Phonic wrote:
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Holly is an NT, she is appropriate, well adjusted and regular - she'll live a full and satisfying life, she will never change the world with a groundbreaking new way of looking at things, she wont produce brilliant art or science or poetry, because my friends, no brilliant scientist or artist was ever mentally stable, the crazies change the world.


It sounds like you're talking about intelligence rather than autism there.

It's possible to be a genius or be gifted at something like art or music and not be autistic. To give a couple examples - Steven Hawking and Michio Kaku.



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16 Apr 2011, 4:50 pm

I don´t really care what they say. They can say what they want. I just wish that I didn´t have AS myself.



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16 Apr 2011, 5:11 pm

Phonic wrote:
everyone is blessed and cursed with how they're born ...

More simply: No two people are the same and we can all do well together "as one".


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17 Apr 2011, 2:33 am

leejosepho wrote:
manlyadam wrote:
I do have problems but I am not defined by them ...

I now realise ... NT people ... tell each other how to think and they make up random phrases without thinking about the actual meaning of them ...

So, they also have problems but are not defined by them?


Yes I realise that in articles written by NTs for NTs they use phrases like "Unimaginable disaster" or "Tragic series of events" whereas I would prefer just the facts and make my own mind up about how to feel about them. It's an observation I've made of a difference between myself and NTs but I would never give them a standard derogatory term for this like "Suffering from nonliteral disorder and an extreme lack of sense of self resulting in a lifetime dependence on conformism and extreme suggestibility". This is what I would say if I did come up with things like that to define people by things I can find negative about them however I would never try and judge someone like that, I consider myself open minded and would approach any neuro-diversity with respect and use neutral terms. I would not try to come up with negative words to be used as a standard definition of someone based on their weaknesses.



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17 Apr 2011, 6:55 am

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On a personal level i think we need to be honest with ourselves what our weaknesses are and not to be too ashamed to admit to hardships or suffering. You need to personally accept the whole of Aspergers and everything that it entails rather than just the positives. If you only concentrate on the positives you paint a totally unrealistic appraisal of what AS is and what we need help with.


There needs to be the balance that we have some flaws that may need working on, that there are things that are "wrong" with us, but there also needs to be the sense that it isn't all bad, and people with AS can have great lives and overcome some of their issues.

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I agree with you, I'm not saying I don't have problems, what I'm saying is I don't want generic derogatory terms applied to me like "Suffers from Asperger's Syndrome" because I am not defined by my problems or weaknesses and not all aspies do have the same problems much in the same way the black people in your example wouldn't accept "Suffers from Ghetto Syndrome"


To say that someone suffers from AS is a negative term. So effectively by saying that someone suffers from it, you're saying that there aren't any positives in having it. I personally think there are, as it is a key part of my personality.


100% this, autism needs to be adressed in a more neutral light in the media. Let the reader make up their own mind and not force them down the negative path.



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17 Apr 2011, 7:03 am

manlyadam wrote:
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manlyadam wrote:
I do have problems but I am not defined by them ...

I now realise ... NT people ... tell each other how to think and they make up random phrases without thinking about the actual meaning of them ...

So, they also have problems but are not defined by them?

I would never give them a standard derogatory term for this like "Suffering from nonliteral disorder and an extreme lack of sense of self resulting in a lifetime dependence on conformism and extreme suggestibility".

I had taken your earlier words literally and misunderstood. You are actually talking about people not being defined by people and not about people not being defined by their problems.


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17 Apr 2011, 7:10 am

I think the term "Suffers" is used in a different context..
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suffer
The term "suffer" doesn't nessecarily mean you're suffering, or in pain, there are other definitions. Such as to undergo change, or even just a disadvantage.


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17 Apr 2011, 7:23 am

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The term "suffer" doesn't necessarily mean you're suffering, or in pain, there are other definitions. Such as to undergo change, or even just a disadvantage.

Yes. Suffering each other can help reduce each other's suffering.


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17 Apr 2011, 7:38 am

886 wrote:
I think the term "Suffers" is used in a different context..
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/suffer
The term "suffer" doesn't nessecarily mean you're suffering, or in pain, there are other definitions. Such as to undergo change, or even just a disadvantage.


The only problem I see with that is that many people may overlook that meaning and take it for its more negative meanings. So either people need to be more aware that it can mean what you said, that it may not necessarily mean pain or to endure something unpleasant, or to use a different term.


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17 Apr 2011, 2:15 pm

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Someone mentioned Blacks earlier. The difference between Black Pride and Aspie pride is that Black Pride doesn't seek to downplay the problems of Black People. You don't get Al Sharpton saying "oh no theres no poverty here in the ghetto. nothing to see here folks. And besides havent you heard how brilliant James Brown is?" He might go with the last line but before that he'll campaign to improve the economic lot of his people and back up their suffering with statistics. On a personal level i think we need to be honest with ourselves what our weaknesses are and not to be too ashamed to admit to hardships or suffering. You need to personally accept the whole of Aspergers and everything that it entails rather than just the positives. If you only concentrate on the positives you paint a totally unrealistic appraisal of what AS is and what we need help with.


The appropriate response to the aspie unemployment rate is not to give people a disability allowance, it is to address the reasons aspies cannot access and excel in the workplace. Some of those reasons will be disability/sickness due to other things (such as depression) which are more prevalent in the AS population.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:07 pm

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The appropriate response to the aspie unemployment rate is not to give people a disability allowance, it is to address the reasons aspies cannot access and excel in the workplace. Some of those reasons will be disability/sickness due to other things (such as depression) which are more prevalent in the AS population.


While a lot of autistic people may be unemployed because of barriers to employment, many others may be unemployed because actual employment would be difficult or impossible to maintain even with accommodations in place. While getting people who can work into the workplace is a good thing, I would not assume that it is the best universal solution.



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17 Apr 2011, 3:16 pm

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Someone mentioned Blacks earlier. The difference between Black Pride and Aspie pride is that Black Pride doesn't seek to downplay the problems of Black People. You don't get Al Sharpton saying "oh no theres no poverty here in the ghetto. nothing to see here folks. And besides havent you heard how brilliant James Brown is?" He might go with the last line but before that he'll campaign to improve the economic lot of his people and back up their suffering with statistics. On a personal level i think we need to be honest with ourselves what our weaknesses are and not to be too ashamed to admit to hardships or suffering. You need to personally accept the whole of Aspergers and everything that it entails rather than just the positives. If you only concentrate on the positives you paint a totally unrealistic appraisal of what AS is and what we need help with.


The appropriate response to the aspie unemployment rate is not to give people a disability allowance, it is to address the reasons aspies cannot access and excel in the workplace. Some of those reasons will be disability/sickness due to other things (such as depression) which are more prevalent in the AS population.


There's currently huge structural unemployment in the UK economy. There are 5 million people on some sort of out of work benefit and 500,000 vacancies in the economy. I'm pretty sure both the public and the private sector in a time of economic growth wouldn't be able to create the jobs necessary to put all sick people to work. Never mind the moral issues of putting people that the NHS has deemed to sick to work into Mccjobs. But you are right a truly moral and responsible government would put huge ammounts of money into NHS mental health to try and help people becoming more functioning.