Executive Functioning and Verbal Memory test

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18 May 2011, 11:43 pm

Verbal Memory 51 - 32%

Executive Functioning 46 -32%


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18 May 2011, 11:48 pm

ok here is a pretty mainstream but serious forum
serious meaning...not run by trolling idiots

http://chronicle.com/forums/

this should be interesting...post the results, please

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18 May 2011, 11:51 pm

It is suspected by professionals that I have AS. I have no formal diagnoses.

Verbal Memory: Subject Score 58/Standard Score 118/Percentile 88/ Above X
Executive Functioning: Subject Score 35/Standard Score 76/Percentile 5/ Low X

I feel stupid for doing so poorly on the EF. It was....simple. Color or Shape. Geez.


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19 May 2011, 12:00 am

RaquiGirl wrote:
Don't really know what you meant by that, but if it makes a difference, words and symbols/pictures are my thing, not math, music or patterns. Temple Grandin described autistics as being divided into three types: visual, music/math, verbal logic. I guess I'm verbal logic first, maybe with a bit of visual... but I am horrid at music/math stuff. LOL


Oh, I meant that it shows that there may actually be some kind of modification for age going on if people close to my age can score that much higher than I did.

Also, there are more than three ways to think - Temple Grandin's model is a bit limited. I do fit, though - I'm pretty visual, although with the hyperlexia I tend to be good with words. It just takes work to produce them due to the need for translation and apparently my possibly awful verbal memory.

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I think so. Prior to BO I could write & debug computer code pretty easily, and now I can't really do it at all. And the problem always seemed to be that information was slipping out of my short-term memory (or becoming fuzzy or corrupted) much more than before. And when reading how I forget the parts I've read minutes before, which also makes it seem like it's a verbal short-term memory problem.

(I'd give a lot to know what on Earth burnout is on a physical level. Lately I've been looking up the effects of stress-induced damage to the hippocampus, which does fit in various ways, but with no real research about burnout there's no way to know if that is really what it is or not.)


Interesting.

I know I've had more troubles since 2004ish, a lot more troubles. I felt like I was cognitively less capable of a lot of things, and creative writing became a lot more difficult (although I can still manage it). I find it really difficult to do something like transcribe from recordings or copy from books - I mean to the point that it'll often take me 2-3 attempts to remember a single string of words, and the number of words per string I can remember is fairly low.

I hadn't heard about stress-induced damage to the hippocampus. It does make sense that burnout could reflect neurological damage from pushing too hard. Other organs can get stressed and damaged, after all.



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19 May 2011, 12:11 am

for me the words just blured together...I was only able to really recognize about 4-5 of them...of course those were the first 4-5 that were shown after that I could not keep up. I have severe deficits in short term memory, but once it does get into long term memory, it is there for good.
as for Executive functioning, I have been diagnosed with severe executive functioning dysfuction and profound ADD as well as PDD.

I remember one of my friends in grade school overheard my mom talking to his mom about my mental functioning scores, and he told me later. I am surprised you are not ret*d with all the problems you have.

Sometimes I wonder how I escaped that fate myself.


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19 May 2011, 12:26 am

1% on both...

though i believe i have add and aspergers...

attempting diagnosis next week and following weeks probaly for aspergers or hfa


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19 May 2011, 12:28 am

liveandletdie wrote:
1% on both...

though i believe i have add and aspergers...

attempting diagnosis next week and following weeks probaly for aspergers or hfa


How old are you, out of curiosity? I mean, if you want to say. And do you still have your scores available?



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19 May 2011, 1:00 am

nah lost the scores

21 years old


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19 May 2011, 1:42 am

My full results, if anyone's interested.
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Too lazy to cut out the blank space underneath now that it's posted. Oh well.


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19 May 2011, 3:42 am

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Apple_in_my_Eye wrote:
I think so. Prior to BO I could write & debug computer code pretty easily, and now I can't really do it at all. And the problem always seemed to be that information was slipping out of my short-term memory (or becoming fuzzy or corrupted) much more than before. And when reading how I forget the parts I've read minutes before, which also makes it seem like it's a verbal short-term memory problem.

(I'd give a lot to know what on Earth burnout is on a physical level. Lately I've been looking up the effects of stress-induced damage to the hippocampus, which does fit in various ways, but with no real research about burnout there's no way to know if that is really what it is or not.)


Interesting.

I know I've had more troubles since 2004ish, a lot more troubles. I felt like I was cognitively less capable of a lot of things, and creative writing became a lot more difficult (although I can still manage it). I find it really difficult to do something like transcribe from recordings or copy from books - I mean to the point that it'll often take me 2-3 attempts to remember a single string of words, and the number of words per string I can remember is fairly low.


That does sound familiar. At the worst point I'd have to look twice to dial a 7-digit phone number. That has gotten a bit better, though, come to think of it. And one of my last jobs was sorting mail, and I would keep forgetting what zip code I was scanning for, and then after re-rechecking, would forget which mailbag I'd left off on.

I was never great at creative writing, though I did like reading poetry when I was younger (not like I really read a lot of it, tho). I seemed to lose a feel for it (that is, getting strong impressions/feelings from it), but could never figure out if it was emotional numbness from stress or depression, or a cognitive issue. (Or a side effect of having to tune so much other stuff out all the time.) (Been getting little flashes of that coming back, too, but it's still rare and fragile.)



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19 May 2011, 3:47 am

I used to memorize everyone's phone numbers. I didn't really need a phone book because I had it all in my head. This is so no longer the case. If I can't record it somewhere, I may as well not have it.



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19 May 2011, 5:49 am

I'm slow... Verbal memory would have been a bit better if I hadn't messed up a little, and remember English is not my first language (I think it has no effect on the result). I tried to utilize picture-associations too.

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19 May 2011, 6:59 am

I closed my test window already, or I'd just pic it...but..

Verbal 96 percentile
EF 75 percentile

I don't recall, nor did I really look at the stand scores. individual category percentile either...Or subject for that matter, however, my individual scores were; 15, 15, 15, 15 // 51, 0, 992.

I'm unclear how all correct on verbal nets a 96th percentile.

And I used a mental trick for the EF, preset the EF decision for either color or shape. Pick whichever is more comfortable/immediate. Insert pause for confirmation of protecal (desired response). Ie Set your reflex response to color, for example, and set attention to the promting condition of color or shape. If color (for this example) allow for immediate reflexive reply, if not solve for shape. This got me quick responses to the promting for matching colors, and slower replies to matching of shapes, yet accurate, and on average....average speed.

It was fun, I spose. But highly illogical in the presumtions it makes. The verbal portion was not...um, verbal. I would have failed it miserably if I had to remember spoken words. Not to mention the delay is very very brief. And the EF portion does not contain shifting rules or varied conditions really, it's rule set is given to you before you even begin.

And ... the Silk Stalking on the Lamb with a Nest on it's back standing next to a Parent cooking a Turkey with a Face and a Hand the Color of Weather raining Nails on the Shield of a Mouse in a House on a Hill. It's a really bizarre mental image, but yes...."word to image" convertion is natural and instant. So it was easy to recognize a word, I've either seen it in this image or it's unfamiliar to this image. I think in non-language based thoughts and images, not words. Thinking in words is mentally taxing, but doable....not natural, and inefficient.


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19 May 2011, 7:28 am

MooCow wrote:
Verbal Memory 51 - 32%

Executive Functioning 46 -32%

Almost identical to mine.



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19 May 2011, 7:30 am

swbluto wrote:
It's been purported that executive functioning is impaired in autism, which leads to difficulty in switching attention, and I'm wondering if this is true in reality.


I'm not smarter than the Brain Center of Florida, but the first thing that comes up is lists of 15 words. Short-term memory is 4-7 items, so this seems like anyone would struggle. It's also very strange with stuff flashing on the screen like a video game. I'd be slow with this just because I've never done anything like it before.

The Match Shape thing doesn't work - it flashes "Press the Left Arrow Key" like it's having an epileptic seizure, but I press the key and nothing happens. I think they're too fancy for their own good with this one.

I can't get beyond the arrow key issue, so this is a total fail.



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19 May 2011, 7:39 am

Verbal Memory: 66th percentile
Executive Functioning: 77th percentile