TullyFisher
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I think if one is going to join a high IQ society it should at least be something like the TNS where it is actually reasonably hard to get in. Mensa is only the top 2% or so. The idea of joining a club to do fun brain teasers and puzzles sounds enjoyable. I enjoy taking IQ tests and doing brain teasers for fun. However I don't know of any IQ society whose purpose is this.
Can you elaborate a bit on your experience in the TNS? I am curious to hear someone's opinion about it who has been or is a member. From what I heard about it, it has really put me off. I don't like the idea of IQ societies taking themselves so seriously.
Actually I have never liked IQ societies at all. |
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FTM
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When I was about 13 my class at school did a mensa test as part of a maths lesson about averages and percentages. I don't remember my score but I came top but the teacher said only 1 in 16,000 has a score that high so I must have cheated. I didn't cheat but I didn't deny it either. I've always wanted to do the test for real but the thought of failing scares me.
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BTW, the people at TNS sometimes referred to Mensa as "Densa", but at the same time they put it on their resumes so people won't assume they're stupid for thinking differently. |
Densa was always my pub quiz team name. |
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Callista
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Of course, you cheated. Because that's the only way anybody can ever get good at puzzles. 
I think if I wanted to, I could probably practice for the IQ test and ceiling out all the subtests. IQ tests are utter bunk.
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crouton
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I'm not a member of MENSA, or any other high IQ society. I've never taken an IQ test, but I doubt I'd be MENSA material - this being precisely the reason why I don't want to take such a test.  |
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I tried to take their online test, but I couldn't finish it, because it was too boring. IQ tests are so boring. Especially the verbal and math portions.
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swbluto
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: Re: Aspergers and MENSA |
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| Ambivalence wrote: | | OldFashioned wrote: | | (Mensa is an organisation for people with very high IQs.) |
Mensa is an organisation of clever people who are nevertheless dumb enough to believe the manifold diversities of human intelligence can be adequately represented by a short number. I doubt M. Binet would approve.  |
Wrong Planet is an organization of autistic people who, some of which, are nevertheless dumb enough to believe that every Mensa member believes that the manifold diversities of human intelligence can be adequately represented by a short number. I doubt mensans would approve. |
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swbluto
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| Posted: Sat Jun 04, 2011 8:52 am Post subject: |
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| Callista wrote: |
I think if I wanted to, I could probably practice for the IQ test and ceiling out all the subtests. IQ tests are utter bunk. |
I'd like to see you practice for...
the TITAN test.  |
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Tollorin
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| Callista wrote: | And, no. I honestly don't have much in common with those people. The thing that attracts me to people is when they like to learn; that has no IQ requirements.
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There is no IQ requirement for that, but it certainly mean mostly peoples with high IQ.
| Callista wrote: | Of course, you cheated. Because that's the only way anybody can ever get good at puzzles.
I think if I wanted to, I could probably practice for the IQ test and ceiling out all the subtests. IQ tests are utter bunk. |
That would be cheating.
They not complete bunk though. Beside be very bad when it come to test autistic peoples, (Except maybe the Raven) they rarely give false positives for a diagnostism of giftedness. (Except for when there is "cheating".)
There is a lot of things that can bring a false negative though, (Depression, sleep deprivation,...) and thus also a false positive for mental retardation. |
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Poke
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I was a member of Mensa when I was younger but never participated.
I remember not being crazy about their test. I took it around the same time I took the Wechsler Intelligence scale for Children which I preferred a great deal.
The super-elite IQ organizations are pretty ridiculous, given that a very small difference in score (though larger than the gaps between members of those organizations) can be mostly a matter of chance. |
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Amajanshi
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I performed an IQ test (WAIS - IV) earlier last month and finally got my overall Full Scale IQ as 139. Unfortunately I can't use these results as the IQ test was conducted by a "Provisional Psychologist", and MENSA Australia only accepts results from IQ tests which were conducted by "hardcore" (Fully Qualified) Psychologists.
With the 95% confidence interval, my lowest Full Scale IQ within that range would be around 130.
I think I can barely qualify for MENSA if I was to take their crafted exam, particularly if their second component is mostly raven's matrices.
I'm also wondering if joining MENSA is worth it, if I can qualify.
I checked the Australian MENSA website, and the events calendar for Victoria state (Melbourne city) for 2011 isn't that exciting. I already play Scrabble at a local club, I'm not interested in "Book group discussions" as I have poor reading comprehension of novels, and I can gamble Texas Hold'em poker (low stakes only) at Crown Casino.
If MENSA Australia had a special-interest group for people on the Autism Spectrum, then I'd be more interested in joining (if allowed), so I could meet more fellow HFA/Aspies.
I'll be contacting MENSA Australia and asking them about the special-interest groups that they offer. If they don't have any special-interest groups that I wanna investigate (including a group for MENSA HFA/Aspies), then I won't bother applying to do the MENSA exam. |
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oldmantime
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| Anemone wrote: | I've been a member twice. I took the Mensa test in my mid-20s because it was the cheapest IQ test I could find, and got a year's membership for the price. But I didn't go out for anything and was put off by the newsletter. People arguing about nothing for the fun of it.
I rejoined after my last office job didn't work out, for the networking. But I found it difficult to be in an organization that didn't deal with the isolation gifted people can suffer from (independent of disability). So I moved on to the Triple 9 Society (99.9th percentile) where they did talk about isolation, and referred me to research on the subject. But the discussion group was too controversial for my taste, so I didn't stay on.
BTW, the people at TNS sometimes referred to Mensa as "Densa", but at the same time they put it on their resumes so people won't assume they're stupid for thinking differently. |
how was it controversial? i've always wanted to get into that society to see how really smart people think, but i doubt i'll ever be able to, so i'm curious. |
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Indy
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metaphysics
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| Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Aspergers and MENSA |
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| OldFashioned wrote: | Are you a member of Mensa? Yes? No? Why? Do you want to?
(Mensa is an organisation for people with very high IQs.) |
Yes, I am
But I don't often participate.... Actually, I did not for several years...
I am very curious about how many people here are in Mensa!
For that post, I think I may prefer to respect others' ideas, although I am not agree with it at all. |
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The_Walrus
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| I've only fairly recently turned 16, but I'm going to consider joining. I scored 26/30 on the online test (messed up the quadrilaterals, forgot that there are two 7s in 77, and couldn't rearrange the 9 letters on either question) and generally do well on tests of this sort, so I think I could do it. |
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Rational
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No, you can't train for an IQ test.
No, IQ isn't about solving logic problems / math problems / puzzles.
Please, inform yourself about this before making such claims. It's very ignorant.
IQ tests look the way they do, because of researches showing that people who perform well on such tasks have high intelligence - it has high correlation with intelligence (it's been proven that people who perform well on working memory, spatial, pattern recognition etc. tasks also perform well on reasoning, and it has correlation with common knowledge). It would've been very stupid for scientists to claim that such figures require intelligence, without actually testing it, wouldn't it?
Please first read about IQ tests and then claim they are wrong. |
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