krex
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Do you think Camues was an Apie?
When I was in college my favorite classes were psyc,philosophy(most over my head),literature...
I thought it would be a good job,to read everything written by an author and then give them a psyc DX...Dont know who would actually pay me to do this...put seemed like it would be a fun job...Probably as accurate(or inaccurate) as the current method of 30 min sessions with someone asking about"and how do you "feel" about this"....my internal dialogue was...."feel?I dont "feel"...I think...."....never got to far in therapy....
Christmas is a financial and sensory nightmare.....yuck!
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lupin
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scrulie, yes, this ignorance on the part of psychiatrists etc is very poor isn't it? Just think how many of our ASD brethren have been horribly misunderstood and misdiagnosed all their lives (my father for one, he died without any of us realising that he was AS despite humungously obvious and weird behaviour) . I suppose we should be grateful that we managed to make our own diagnoses at last.
Do you still think the BPD diagnosis fits? Or will you try to get a revised AS diagnosis?
paolo - totally agree with you about holidays.They are horrid. I have never been able to understand why people do them anyway. Well, in Europe we've now got a nice clear run through until - phhutt! - bloody Christmas! |
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lupin
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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| krex wrote: |
I thought it would be a good job,to read everything written by an author and then give them a psyc DX...Dont know who would actually pay me to do this...put seemed like it would be a fun job...Probably as accurate(or inaccurate) as the current method of 30 min sessions with someone asking about"and how do you "feel" about this"....my internal dialogue was...."feel?I dont "feel"...I think...."....never got to far in therapy.... |
 Me too! Bloody therapists, so caught up in how right their 'system' is...I spent four whole sessions educating the last one about ASD. I didn't turn up for the fifth session....Complete waste of time for me, great learning experience for him. Grrr.
Christmas is a financial and sensory nightmare.....yuck!
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| Posted: Sat Sep 02, 2006 4:48 pm Post subject: Re: autism disovered in old age |
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| paolo wrote: | When you discover in old age that you have been autistic (or Asperger) all your life, dramatic problems arise.
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well, for me, even discovering i had AS at the age of 24 was a heavy weight. i don't know if i would say dramatic problems arose..in many ways it is a relief to know why i am the way i am, why i often feel so frustrated trying to talk to people or understand them. |
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scrulie
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| lupin wrote: |
Do you still think the BPD diagnosis fits? Or will you try to get a revised AS diagnosis? |
I'm not sure at the moment whether I still think it fits. I'm having to think about it long and hard! I think I do want to get a diagnosis of AS, whether that's seen as co-morbid or as cancelling out the BPD diagnosis.
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paolo
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| Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2006 1:45 am Post subject: Literature |
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If you write very good books you are rarely satisfied with the world you live in. I dont know about Camus. Kafka was certainly an Aspie. While he attributed all his unhappiness to his father' continual humiliations, I am convinced that human resilience is extraordinary and that he might have revolted, fled, abandoned his family (even if for jews this is more difficult), had he the capacity to build on alternative relationhips. Kafka did'nt have this capacity. His friends were people with whom to talk about literature. No depth in his frienships. His "best" friend was Max Brod who in his biography of K. showed an abysmal misurderstanding of K.
Beckett's "Malone dies" is one step further in the description of an old loner's end. It is a masterpiece, and even full of aggressive humour, galgen-humor of course, but a great manifestation of vitality none the less. Then of course there is Kleist and Robert Walser. Among the living or recently died: Salinger (although I am not sure he is a great writer), Richard Yates, Carver and many others. |
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paulsinnerchild
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| What are the chances of an old person getting diagnosed with it if their parents are dead they are an only child and no childhood records? |
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paolo
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I dont think you have to look for medical records. Rather letters (but letters ar conventional and full of lies), school records, diaries, number of friends e the general history of the subject.
As for me it took a whole life to interpret who my parents have been, how they saw me. Many happenings were hidden to me. And I became aware of facts only after their death. Many fcts I will never know. My father anyway was nerly certainly an Asberger. Although he was a very well known and successful in a way, he had no friends and was unhappy. Disastrous relationship with my mother, from which he never separated. My mother was stronger but frigid, selfish and never had friends also. When I think of my family I think of a lager or a gulag. That's why I thought for a long time that my "ratage" was due to my family history. Now I changed my mind.
I want to add here, even if this has nothing to do with AS or not AS, but with the general problem of the unequal distribution of happiness, that there hundreds of thousand of children being sold to brothels by their families who will die of aids after havig benn exploited, and so many similar situations. This is to give a sense of proportion in our lamentations. |
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lupin
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| paolo wrote: | I dont think you have to look for medical records. Rather letters (but letters ar conventional and full of lies), school records, diaries, number of friends e the general history of the subject.
As for me it took a whole life to interpret who my parents have been, how they saw me. Many happenings were hidden to me. And I became aware of facts only after their death. Many fcts I will never know. My father anyway was nerly certainly an Asberger. Although he was a very well known and successful in a way, he had no friends and was unhappy. Disastrous relationship with my mother, from which he never separated. My mother was stronger but frigid, selfish and never had friends also. When I think of my family I think of a lager or a gulag. That's why I thought for a long time that my "ratage" was due to my family history. Now I changed my mind.
I want to add here, even if this has nothing to do with AS or not AS, but with the general problem of the unequal distribution of happiness, that there hundreds of thousand of children being sold to brothels by their families who will die of aids after havig benn exploited, and so many similar situations. This is to give a sense of proportion in our lamentations. |
Thank you Paolo, for reminding me to have a sense of proportion. You're right, there are far worse things that can happen to a child and far worse challenges as an adult.
My sister and I would absolutely identify with your description of your family life as a child as a 'gulag' - it was the same for us: it's a spectrum, and I am now certain that our parents were somewhere on that spectrum. The good thing about my own knowledge about my status, however late in life, is that I can live accordingly and take my neurological differences into account in all my dealings with others. My parents did not have this knowledge about themselves - they lived lives of great difficulty due to ignorance and, I'm sure, profound guilt because of all the things they kept getting wrong in their closer relationships.
@paulsinnerchild - my dx as an older person was helped by the childhood memoire that I put together: I spent a week or so remembering EVERY tiny scrap I could about my childhood and writing it down quite systematically.
Then I checked details with my mother, only to find that she'd beaten a path to the GP's door (with pleas for help with me and my weird behaviour/'little professorism' etc). She'd not told me anything of this before.
It was also a cathartic thing to do and seeing my past through the lens of ASD for the first time was amazingly liberating - everything fell into place/made sense for the first time ever and I could at last ditch the psychological claptrap and struggle to 'change my thinking'.
@scrulie - hmm - I hadn't thought about BPD as a co-morbid to ASD, though it must be possible. I'd be interested to know what your psychs think. Let us know how you get on, and good luck! |
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When we learnt about Aspergers just before last Christmas I to thought "Aha that explains a lot especially my husband." He would be talking with friends and the amount of times I would have to go and rescue them because H didn't realize that they wanted to go, or they were lost in his talk, because he didn't pick up on body language. Now I have told several of his closest friends with his permission and they have said "So that explains it." They knew that H wasn't the same as there other friends but the majority have stilled stayed friends with him. My own parents are relieved to find out because now he makes more sense as in they know why he is the way he is. My dad doesn't get as annoyed with him as he used to and my mum bites her tongue instead of being sarcastic, and I can be more relaxed and let him be himself knowing the other person knows.
But as has been said true friends will still stick by you and you get to know who your true friends are once they are told or you begin to be the real you. Or both. 
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1. We don't like snakes. That's instinctual, a legacy of our life in the savanna. But snakes, like lyzards, turtles and many other animals are perfect creatures. They lay eggs and don't have to take care of their offsprings. They live solitary all of their life. Wolfs, ducks, apes, men live socially, they need companionship: that's instinctual too. Alone they die or live desperate lives.
2. J.D. Salinger on bananafishes "they live a very tragic life" "they swim into a hole where their is a lot of bananas." they eat so many that they are no more able to get out of the hole, and they die. "For Esme with love and squalor".
Companionship is such a rich nutriment when we are young that we can't live anymore without it.
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paolo
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| You can adapt yourself to solitude but at a very high price. Your life becomes cauterized, has no more the quality of reality, it becomes dreamlike. The environment become stranger. Sometimes nightmarish. You go on on your business, petrified in habit, having sometimes flashes of time lost, when you ate bananas and you think that in the folds of the things you meet there must still be some trace of bananas (or joy, or extasy - of that quality of emotions that you experienced when you rowed on a flat sea in the sun, or when, as a child you found new flowers and butterflies in the fields). No, no life has not been this drudgery all the time! Things may not be lost but only hidden somewhere. |
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paulsinnerchild
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[quote="lupin"] | paolo wrote: |
@paulsinnerchild - my dx as an older person was helped by the childhood memoire that I put together: I spent a week or so remembering EVERY tiny scrap I could about my childhood and writing it down quite systematically.
Then I checked details with my mother, only to find that she'd beaten a path to the GP's door (with pleas for help with me and my weird behaviour/'little professorism' etc). She'd not told me anything of this before.
It was also a cathartic thing to do and seeing my past through the lens of ASD for the first time was amazingly liberating - everything fell into place/made sense for the first time ever and I could at last ditch the psychological claptrap and struggle to 'change my thinking'.
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My mother too tried everything too, eventually she told me she did get a diagnosis of autism in 1961
Even second opinions third opininions led to the same conclusion. I was not the little professor but I was extremely aloof and had poor social skills with obsessions and bahaving as if I was deaf, but I was just living in my own little world (a very very big world from my point of view, and people were not a part of it)
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It seems to me like it would put your life into perspective.
Example: *you thinking* you:Oh that's why that happened in 9th grade....it all makes since now
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paolo
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| Posted: Tue Sep 05, 2006 3:38 pm Post subject: old age |
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Being also bipolar it's likely that my messages change in tone according to the moment i write. This as a general caveat.
I don't consider myself old, because i have never reached maturity, self assurance, the tranquillity of a well deserved position in life. I not sure if this aggravates or eases my situation.
In a sense i have a furious desire to "catch up". I know that this is possible in a very particular way. Certainly not in the "normal" things of this world. And, after all, how many, AS or not, are cut off from an accomplished life in this society. But perhaps a last ditch desperate fight for understanding, intellectual revolt and witness might have meaning. I hope so. Maybe this is the positive side of a persistent immaturity. |to follow| |
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