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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't consider Republicans to be "flat-out bad", as Democrats officially hold that achievement, unless they have convinced themselves that Wal-Mart is good economically because it provides cheap crap from China and jobs to unemployed people who otherwise might have found a job that wont drive them insane and treat them like mere robots.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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1. WMDs. The entire world believed Sadam had them. The "Bush lied" argument holds no water.

Ambassador Joseph Wilson disproved the Bush claim that Saddam had tried to buy yellowcake from Niger, but despite this the Bush regime continued to push this claim to support the idea that Saddam was building nuclear weapons.

Aluminum tubes supposedly for nuclear material centrifuges were the same type used for rocket engines by years in Iraq, and no verification with the energy department that they were for centrifuges was sought.

The main source for many of the claims was a defector code-named 'curveball,' who was a questionable source to begin with, who had been known to lie well before the invasion, and whom U.S. intelligence regarded as entirely uncredible, and who was later proven to have entirely fabricated pretty much everything out of a desire to induce the U.S. to invade.

The Bush administration continually claimed that various trailers were 'mobile weapons labs,' despite repeated refutations from Hans Blix on the ground. Blix and his team of inspectors were given carte blanch to inspect, showing up over and over again at supposed weapons sites, unannounced, and finding nothing. The inspection team begged to be allowed to finish their work, but Bush decided to cut them off.

The Brittish 'Downing Street Memo' demonstrated conclusively that Bush intended to invade regardless of what the inspectors discovered, and that intelligence was deliberately being cooked to suport the putative existence of WMDs.

Members of the Bush cabinet routinely leaked 'proof' of Saddam's weapons to newspapers like the NYT and then cited the following articles as 'evidence' of Saddam's weapons to the rest of the press.

In addition, various members of the Bush administration continually, deliberately gave the impression, either directly or by implication, that Saddam was behind the 9/11 attack.

Literally tens of millions of people protested the presaged invasion of Iraq, both in America and around the world. There were more than 3K demonstrations around the world, including the largest-ever anti-war protest in history, 3 million people in Rome. I guess your 'entire world' doesn't count those tens of millions.

there are several countries - most notably, North Korea - which actually do have WMDs and are ruled by leaders just as nasty as Saddam, but we didn't invade them because invading someone who actually has WMDs to defend itself with is f*****g stupid.
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2. Violation of cease fire. By shooting at our planes, the cease fire that was signed after the first Gulf War was broken and technically, the original war was still ongoing.

Our planes that were flying over their country, you mean? Which were never actually shot down? That's such a specious argument that even the Bush administration never bothered to use it widely.

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3. Supporting terrorists. While Sadam was not involved with 9/11, he was still supporting terrorism by paying the families of suicide bombers $15,000 (I believe that is the correct amount). That made him a legitimate target of the war on terror.

By that count, there are about another dozen or so countries we should be invading.

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What's Libiya about? Not even the president knows.

Start listening to some media other than Faux. The impending massacre of civilians in Libya was all over the BBC, Al Jazeera, and the United Nations Security Council.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Though I don't shop at either(walmart is far away but maybe once a year when I'm visiting another city) walmart is more ecofriendly then target. they both source their junk from the same place, but target gets a free pass by consumers for their democratization of design, whatever thats supposed to mean...
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarketAndChurch wrote:
well its quite old - the left thinks the right is evil and the right thinks the left is wrong

the why doesn't need to be re-explained(just ask yourself whatever side you are on if you think it is true of the opposition) but the what needs reminding from time to time


Typical MarqueeAndCrutch dishonesty always stating "both" sides "opinions"
but making the other side a little worse.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2011 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I don't consider Republicans to be "flat-out bad", as Democrats officially hold that achievement, unless they have convinced themselves that Wal-Mart is good economically because it provides cheap crap from China and jobs to unemployed people who otherwise might have found a job that wont drive them insane and treat them like mere robots.


Or perhaps not found a job at all.

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