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AceOfSpades
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20 Jul 2011, 10:43 pm

The first picture makes him look meaner since the skewing effect makes him look more "twisted" and gives a "What the f**k are you looking at?" impression. And of course the cropping makes it appear like he's more up in your face. The second picture is obviously the original.

Anyways, based on what I'm read so far, it seems like the cops are full of s**t and just shot him for the hell of it. But I'm reserving judgment until I read more of it since I'm too damn tired and stressed for now.



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20 Jul 2011, 11:15 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
The first picture makes him look meaner since the skewing effect makes him look more "twisted" and gives a "What the f**k are you looking at?" impression. And of course the cropping makes it appear like he's more up in your face. The second picture is obviously the original.

Anyways, based on what I'm read so far, it seems like the cops are full of sh** and just shot him for the hell of it. But I'm reserving judgment until I read more of it since I'm too damn tired and stressed for now.


Which is the other reason why I'm holding out as well, knowing the community in Oakland, particularly east oakland, it is not exactly a saintly place... forget not feeling safe at 2AM in the mourning, try 2PM in the afternoon. The lefty's of the Bay may view the cops as the hostile arm of a fascist police state but they, the police force - not city hall, not the Port of Oakland with all the jobs that it provides, not liberal activism and social justice - are the only wall against barbarism.


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20 Jul 2011, 11:26 pm

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anyone else seeing only one picture?

which one do you see the with the ap label or the unlabeled one?

I see one with an ap label in the lower right corner.



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21 Jul 2011, 12:04 am

It could also have been two different pictures entirely, you'll notice there is a lighting difference on the face.



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21 Jul 2011, 12:13 am

Note how Inuyasha didn't feel the need to defend the pictures until it was revealed that a Fox affiliate was the news source that photoshoped the pic.

BTW, was anyone surprised that it was a Fox affiliate?


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21 Jul 2011, 12:23 am

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Note how Inuyasha didn't feel the need to defend the pictures until it was revealed that a Fox affiliate was the news source that photoshoped the pic.

BTW, was anyone surprised that it was a Fox affiliate?


I didn't know it was a Fox Affiliate until you mentioned it and didn't comment about the post earlier because I hadn't bothered to look at the topic. I will point out that the doctored photo can just as easily be the AP one, it could also be two different cameras where pictures were taken from two different angles.



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21 Jul 2011, 2:59 am

At a Mac now; can see both pics. Wow. Gods, Faux is disgusting.



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21 Jul 2011, 6:15 am

MarketAndChurch wrote:
AceOfSpades wrote:
The first picture makes him look meaner since the skewing effect makes him look more "twisted" and gives a "What the f**k are you looking at?" impression. And of course the cropping makes it appear like he's more up in your face. The second picture is obviously the original.

Anyways, based on what I'm read so far, it seems like the cops are full of sh** and just shot him for the hell of it. But I'm reserving judgment until I read more of it since I'm too damn tired and stressed for now.


Which is the other reason why I'm holding out as well, knowing the community in Oakland, particularly east oakland, it is not exactly a saintly place... forget not feeling safe at 2AM in the mourning, try 2PM in the afternoon. The lefty's of the Bay may view the cops as the hostile arm of a fascist police state but they, the police force - not city hall, not the Port of Oakland with all the jobs that it provides, not liberal activism and social justice - are the only wall against barbarism.


You are local but didn't the shooting take place near Market and Castro quite near you?
Bayview?
of course the vicious cops as a necessarily evil against a savage Oakland is bollocks.


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21 Jul 2011, 2:36 pm

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It could also have been two different pictures entirely, you'll notice there is a lighting difference on the face.


I was gonna mention his face being lighter in the top picture, but I'd been longwinded enough.

But skin color (or lighting) has always been easy to manipulate with even pre digital darkroom techniques- even easier with photoshp ( Time magazine created contraversy for darkening OJ's mugshot on its cover).

Whats interesting is that though his skin color is lighter in the top picture he seems to have the same blemishes in the same spots in both pictures.

But the blemishes stand out more in the top picture because of the greater contrast between the dark blemishes and his surrounding skin ( his skin lightened but his blemishes and moles stayed dark).

Whether that is evidence of realness or of fakeness I dont know.



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22 Jul 2011, 12:39 am

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It could also have been two different pictures entirely, you'll notice there is a lighting difference on the face.


I was gonna mention his face being lighter in the top picture, but I'd been longwinded enough.

But skin color (or lighting) has always been easy to manipulate with even pre digital darkroom techniques- even easier with photoshp ( Time magazine created contraversy for darkening OJ's mugshot on its cover).

Whats interesting is that though his skin color is lighter in the top picture he seems to have the same blemishes in the same spots in both pictures.

But the blemishes stand out more in the top picture because of the greater contrast between the dark blemishes and his surrounding skin ( his skin lightened but his blemishes and moles stayed dark).

Whether that is evidence of realness or of fakeness I dont know.


It can also be evidence of the camera's contrast being messed up, that a flash was used, different film exposure times, etc., which is why I'm pointing out it is entirely possible it was two different cameras.



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22 Jul 2011, 7:04 am

what is the camera technique that changed the cartilage in his right ear
or the cartilage in his nose? or moved his blemishes?
The mean picture seems to have originated from the SFPD it is on
both images are on AP


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22 Jul 2011, 12:41 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
what is the camera technique that changed the cartilage in his right ear
or the cartilage in his nose? or moved his blemishes?
The mean picture seems to have originated from the SFPD it is on
both images are on AP


The pictures could also have been taken at two different times, the one the AP has could be an older photo.



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22 Jul 2011, 12:55 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
It could also have been two different pictures entirely, you'll notice there is a lighting difference on the face.


I was gonna mention his face being lighter in the top picture, but I'd been longwinded enough.

But skin color (or lighting) has always been easy to manipulate with even pre digital darkroom techniques- even easier with photoshp ( Time magazine created contraversy for darkening OJ's mugshot on its cover).

Whats interesting is that though his skin color is lighter in the top picture he seems to have the same blemishes in the same spots in both pictures.

But the blemishes stand out more in the top picture because of the greater contrast between the dark blemishes and his surrounding skin ( his skin lightened but his blemishes and moles stayed dark).

Whether that is evidence of realness or of fakeness I dont know.


It can also be evidence of the camera's contrast being messed up, that a flash was used, different film exposure times, etc., which is why I'm pointing out it is entirely possible it was two different cameras.
No that's BS. He is still facing straight at the camera, but his head is skewed.



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22 Jul 2011, 1:15 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
It could also have been two different pictures entirely, you'll notice there is a lighting difference on the face.


I was gonna mention his face being lighter in the top picture, but I'd been longwinded enough.

But skin color (or lighting) has always been easy to manipulate with even pre digital darkroom techniques- even easier with photoshp ( Time magazine created contraversy for darkening OJ's mugshot on its cover).

Whats interesting is that though his skin color is lighter in the top picture he seems to have the same blemishes in the same spots in both pictures.

But the blemishes stand out more in the top picture because of the greater contrast between the dark blemishes and his surrounding skin ( his skin lightened but his blemishes and moles stayed dark).

Whether that is evidence of realness or of fakeness I dont know.


It can also be evidence of the camera's contrast being messed up, that a flash was used, different film exposure times, etc., which is why I'm pointing out it is entirely possible it was two different cameras.
No that's BS. He is still facing straight at the camera, but his head is skewed.


Camera could have been tilted, the photoshop thing doesn't really add up.

When one is altering something via photoshop as a point of deception, one of the stupidist things to do is zoom in. If they are both the same picture, one could argue that the AP picture is the doctored one. Believe it or not that skew actually can be the result of a facial expression. However when a photo is being edited (aside from cropping) they zoom in to work with the fine details, then they zoom back out and reduce the number of pixels in the photo in an attempt to hide the fact it has been messed with. I'm not accusing AP of doctoring either because that doesn't look like what happened.

It looks like the photos were taken at two different times, and the AP photo is older.

1. The AP picture shows a blemish on his left cheek that isn't in the top photo, for example.

2. The cheeks in the top photo seem a little hollow as though the individual had lost some weight.

3. Top Picture's lighting conditions are different from the AP picture and the light sources are in different locations.

While it could be photoshopped there, it could just as easily been photos taken at two different times.



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22 Jul 2011, 3:54 pm

he was 19.
Now the police said he shot himself in the head and then hid the gun
while they were shooting at him. The gun has not been found.


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22 Jul 2011, 3:57 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:
he was 19.
Now the police said he shot himself in the head and then hid the gun
while they were shooting at him. The gun has not been found.


If what you are saying about the cops changing stories is accurate, I think everyone will agree the cops are trying to stage a cover up.