Sweetleaf
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| donnie_darko wrote: | | It seems to be a general conclusion by most people that today's music sucks. Do you think music really is worse today, or are people just really hipster and nostalgic today? And why? |
It depends on what you listen to, I think there is a lot of good new music........most of it just tends not to be in the mainstream, this is not to say all mainstream artists are always crap but yeah I would say the majority of music now days that gets a lot of media coverage does tend to suck but there is also a lot of good music......I even know of newer bands that play psychedelic rock.
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Freak-Z
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| Laconvivencia wrote: | | I do not think Todays music is horrible. Most of my favorite music artists are mainstream, and I always do my best to be mainstram as possible, But I am tolorent with all kinds of music. |
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1000Knives
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Freak-Z wrote: | | Laconvivencia wrote: | | I do not think Todays music is horrible. Most of my favorite music artists are mainstream, and I always do my best to be mainstram as possible, But I am tolorent with all kinds of music. |
why? |
Because the nail that sticks out gets hammered down.
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i'm pretty sure at any given time, crappy musicians have been producing crappy music.
obviously music from the past is going to seem better because there is decades worth to pick&choose from. we could recall a whole heap of cruddy music if we wanted to too |
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1000Knives
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| GoonSquad wrote: | I don't think it's the music. I think it's the listeners....
You can pinpoint the moment you become "old" by figuring out when you stopped relating to/keeping up with current music.
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Damn, I'm now "old" at like 20.
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| D: this is terrible news. i blame totp for deserting me |
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| Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2011 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: bad? I think not. |
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| LexingtonDeville wrote: | | PosTrock wrote: | So many unheard of bands past the 2000
Pelican, my favorite band is one of them.
Good modern albums worth a listen:
Agalloch : The Mantle / atmospheric folk metal with post rock and black metal influence
God is an astronaut: all is violent, All i bright - non traditional post rock with heavy emphasis on keyboard with subtle electronic influence
Pelican: the fire in our throats will beckon the thaw: sheer beautiful and strangely optimistic, instrumental stoner rock with post rock influences.
Animals as leaders : weightless jazz/ prog metal fusion also instrumental
Porcupine tree : in absentia / the must have prog album of the decade
Biosphere : substrata : personally my favorite a,bient album for its tundra atmosphere.
Opeth : watershed. / words do no justice for this stereotype-shattering masterpiece
Aphex twin : selected ambient works 85-92
MUST HAVE if you dont have this record you're missing out
God i could go on.
So i will
Souvenirs young american - the name of the snake / amazing post rock/ space metal with.... Harmonica?
Tortoise: tnt / sorta earlier post rock but is absolutely beautiful and stunning all e same
Sleepmakeswaves: in today already walks tomorrow / beautiful inspiring post rock with metal influence
Godspeed you! Black Emperor: f# a# infinity / another earlier post rock release but i love it so much.
Tool - lateralus / released around 2000 and is a must have for whatever genre you consider them to be
King crimson - thrak / i love this album, although most ppl dont but hey
Wolfsheim - sparrows and the nightingales / nice future pop
Thats ll for now. Theres even really good famous ones like dmb coldplay, and the killers! |
Watershed by Opeth is absolutely brilliant. As for the music of today, there are some underground gems hidden amongst the repetitive, predictable, mainstream crap like we have over here in the UK - which seems to be full of nonsensical, bland and banal rnb/dance fusion by "Insert artist name here." featuring "Random artist name here."
The 70's, 80's and 90's are vastly superior. |
The funny thing with me and mainstream is that it is for the short attention span, yet i find my attention always lacking with it. I get bored easily with pop in general.
If you like watershed try the mantle by agalloch. Not really similar as far as influences go, but it's hard to love one without loving the other.
I myself owe a great debt to the 90's on up to... well now, lol. I used to be into a whole lot of progressive rock and even some classic rock here and there. But as prog got too..... prog, and classic rock just got boring, i myself got bored with music in general, eventually slipping into interesting "indie" bands like modest mouse and editors to pass my time. I eventually happened upon a post rock band and fell head over heels for the genre.
god i dont want to do one of those rambling things as is highly known for so ill just skip to the point.
As post rock is pretty much 1992 (some earlier) and up, i love newer stuff from the genre. I still listen to metal and prog (like falkenbach, moonsorrow, summoning, opeth, isurus, etc) but post rock generally takes the cake.
Anyways i highly respect anyone who "Gets" watershed (noone i've showed it to has liked it.......wow?) |
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Abgal64
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For certain genres, such as sexist, commercial and ignorance-worshiping hip hop (the vast majority of hip hop) or most popular music, yes, today's music is largely rubbish. It has been that way since at least the early 20th century when classical music became seen as "uncool" and "stuck up" as opposed to rock and related genres.
However, high and artful music never died out, such as can be seen with Ligeti György, Philip Glass, Tilahun Gessesse or the band Inti-Illimani.
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I think a lot of modern music is actually very good, you just need to know where to look for it. Plus, nothing's completely original anyway. I just choose to ignore all the crap, haha.
Here are a few to try on: Fleet Foxes. Noisettes. Asteroids Galaxy Tour. The Bird and the Bee. Cold War Kids. The Dirty Heads. There are some genuinely talented musicians out there, you just need to seek them out.
Also, it depends on what you define as good music, but I'm sure everyone out there can find something modern that they like. Hell, my mom grew up on Stevie Wonder and the British Invasion bands and she LOVES Lady Gaga. Personal taste. |
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| RushKing wrote: | OK, screw these decade labels all together.
Why should we define our tastes by time periods?
Why would anyone want to restrict themselves musically to a time period?
I guess I just don't get "Classic" fans. |
Nostalgia I guess. People who will only listen to "classic" seem kind of narrow minded to me. A lot of others don't seem to really get emotionally attached to music like I do though. They just go for what's been burned into their head over and over again. And I'm the one that's supposed to have problems with "perseveration"? I like novelty and music that moves me or takes my mind to a certain state. |
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today's music is harsh to my old ears. it is harsh lyrically, it is harsh musically, it is harsh in aural production values. it used to be that hard clipping was frowned upon by audio engineers because [aside from the damage it does to tweeters] it sounded bad. but nowadays, it [in the form of brickwall limiting with a very short time constant] is a standard arrow in the quiver of any hip record producer, as a noxious method of maximizing apparent volume. but it still sounds bad, whatever its form.  |
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GoonSquad
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| 1000Knives wrote: | | GoonSquad wrote: | I don't think it's the music. I think it's the listeners....
You can pinpoint the moment you become "old" by figuring out when you stopped relating to/keeping up with current music.
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Damn, I'm now "old" at like 20. |
I think I saw you on Oprah!
...do you look like a wrinkley midget? 
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Today's music has heaps to offer. Indie music has allowed for a lot of exploration that record companies didn't allow in days past. I credit George Harrison (and Neil Young) with being the first voices againt the all powerful record companies. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think George's "Only a Northern Song" and later his "Blood from a Clone" were some of the most outspoken in that regard. Neil Young said similar with his Shocking Pinks.
Anyway, Indie music has allowed great things in more recent years. Also other genres...
I enjoy Fistful of Mercy a lot, Jack Johnson, Jason Mraz, the Weepies, Michael Franti... yeah, some of these are not 'new' acts, but they are still going strong! Gimmie India Arie any day... and Little Jackie, too. (Little Jackie has a new lp, finally!!) Pink is awesome. Emmanuel Jal. I could go on and on...  |
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 3:06 am Post subject: Re: bad? I think not. |
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| PosTrock wrote: | | LexingtonDeville wrote: | | PosTrock wrote: | So many unheard of bands past the 2000
Pelican, my favorite band is one of them.
Good modern albums worth a listen:
Agalloch : The Mantle / atmospheric folk metal with post rock and black metal influence
God is an astronaut: all is violent, All i bright - non traditional post rock with heavy emphasis on keyboard with subtle electronic influence
Pelican: the fire in our throats will beckon the thaw: sheer beautiful and strangely optimistic, instrumental stoner rock with post rock influences.
Animals as leaders : weightless jazz/ prog metal fusion also instrumental
Porcupine tree : in absentia / the must have prog album of the decade
Biosphere : substrata : personally my favorite a,bient album for its tundra atmosphere.
Opeth : watershed. / words do no justice for this stereotype-shattering masterpiece
Aphex twin : selected ambient works 85-92
MUST HAVE if you dont have this record you're missing out
God i could go on.
So i will
Souvenirs young american - the name of the snake / amazing post rock/ space metal with.... Harmonica?
Tortoise: tnt / sorta earlier post rock but is absolutely beautiful and stunning all e same
Sleepmakeswaves: in today already walks tomorrow / beautiful inspiring post rock with metal influence
Godspeed you! Black Emperor: f# a# infinity / another earlier post rock release but i love it so much.
Tool - lateralus / released around 2000 and is a must have for whatever genre you consider them to be
King crimson - thrak / i love this album, although most ppl dont but hey
Wolfsheim - sparrows and the nightingales / nice future pop
Thats ll for now. Theres even really good famous ones like dmb coldplay, and the killers! |
Watershed by Opeth is absolutely brilliant. As for the music of today, there are some underground gems hidden amongst the repetitive, predictable, mainstream crap like we have over here in the UK - which seems to be full of nonsensical, bland and banal rnb/dance fusion by "Insert artist name here." featuring "Random artist name here."
The 70's, 80's and 90's are vastly superior. |
The funny thing with me and mainstream is that it is for the short attention span, yet i find my attention always lacking with it. I get bored easily with pop in general.
If you like watershed try the mantle by agalloch. Not really similar as far as influences go, but it's hard to love one without loving the other.
I myself owe a great debt to the 90's on up to... well now, lol. I used to be into a whole lot of progressive rock and even some classic rock here and there. But as prog got too..... prog, and classic rock just got boring, i myself got bored with music in general, eventually slipping into interesting "indie" bands like modest mouse and editors to pass my time. I eventually happened upon a post rock band and fell head over heels for the genre.
god i dont want to do one of those rambling things as is highly known for so ill just skip to the point.
As post rock is pretty much 1992 (some earlier) and up, i love newer stuff from the genre. I still listen to metal and prog (like falkenbach, moonsorrow, summoning, opeth, isurus, etc) but post rock generally takes the cake.
Anyways i highly respect anyone who "Gets" watershed (noone i've showed it to has liked it.......wow?) |
A lot of people I've talked to think that Watershed is too disjointed/awkward, I don't see it as that but it was definitely a very slow grower for me until I understood the lyrical content after watching a few interviews. Watershed is brilliant but for me it just doesn't come close to Still Life, I like how you compared it to The Mantle they almost go hand in hand together. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:42 am Post subject: |
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| 1000Knives wrote: | | GoonSquad wrote: | I don't think it's the music. I think it's the listeners....
You can pinpoint the moment you become "old" by figuring out when you stopped relating to/keeping up with current music.
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Damn, I'm now "old" at like 20. |
I guess I was old at the age of 11, because I prefered The Beatles to the stuff that was popular such as Britney Spears(ewwww), NSYNC, Backstreet Boys and a load of other crappy bands/singers whatever you call those.
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