Ambivalence
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I was substantially correct, then.
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kdhurst380
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Whilst the whole diversity PC thing is in there, I don't like the term LGBT and have never classified myself as such.
Why? Simply because they are indeed completely and utterly different things, it tells Joe Public that Lesbians, Gays. Bisexuals and Transsexuals are the same thing or under the same kind of classification, which annoys me. I am a gay male, I love being a man and everything that comes with it, I like a lot of things men do and have many straight friends. Do I believe I was born the wrong sex or want to be female? no I do not!
I suppose the origin of the abbreviation is from when we had a less accepting society and anyone 'different' came under the header, I certainly don't like it though, not one bit. Portrays completely the wrong image. |
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| kdhurst380 wrote: | Whilst the whole diversity PC thing is in there, I don't like the term LGBT and have never classified myself as such.
Why? Simply because they are indeed completely and utterly different things, it tells Joe Public that Lesbians, Gays. Bisexuals and Transsexuals are the same thing or under the same kind of classification, which annoys me. I am a gay male, I love being a man and everything that comes with it, I like a lot of things men do and have many straight friends. Do I believe I was born the wrong sex or want to be female? no I do not!
I suppose the origin of the abbreviation is from when we had a less accepting society and anyone 'different' came under the header, I certainly don't like it though, not one bit. Portrays completely the wrong image. |
I don't think that's the impression that the public gets. Mind you, I've found it's best never to underestimate the stupidity of the average voter. But the point is not to say that we are the same, merely to say that we face similar issues of discrimination. It's about solidarity and being able to support and help one another. I don't think many people would classify themselves as LGBT per se but rather as G, L, B, or T, so to me your initial point seems moot. |
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| AstroGeek wrote: | | kdhurst380 wrote: | Whilst the whole diversity PC thing is in there, I don't like the term LGBT and have never classified myself as such.
Why? Simply because they are indeed completely and utterly different things, it tells Joe Public that Lesbians, Gays. Bisexuals and Transsexuals are the same thing or under the same kind of classification, which annoys me. I am a gay male, I love being a man and everything that comes with it, I like a lot of things men do and have many straight friends. Do I believe I was born the wrong sex or want to be female? no I do not!
I suppose the origin of the abbreviation is from when we had a less accepting society and anyone 'different' came under the header, I certainly don't like it though, not one bit. Portrays completely the wrong image. |
I don't think that's the impression that the public gets. Mind you, I've found it's best never to underestimate the stupidity of the average voter. But the point is not to say that we are the same, merely to say that we face similar issues of discrimination. It's about solidarity and being able to support and help one another. I don't think many people would classify themselves as LGBT per se but rather as G, L, B, or T, so to me your initial point seems moot. |
I agree completely. |
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I think trans people still need a larger group to identify with, JMO.
But, I identified as bi for years (I knew I was gay) and I was living a LARGELY heterosexual lifestyle the entire time, so I see your point there. I always thought any support I showed for the LGBT community at that point in time would be a little bit silly and self-indulgent, anyway. |
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| EXPECIALLY wrote: | I think trans people still need a larger group to identify with, JMO.
But, I identified as bi for years (I knew I was gay) and I was living a LARGELY heterosexual lifestyle the entire time, so I see your point there. I always thought any support I showed for the LGBT community at that point in time would be a little bit silly and self-indulgent, anyway. |
I know where you're coming from. I don't feel a huge sense of connection to the LGBT community, particularly the LG part. BT is a whole different set of issues and I feel like I could sit down with any bisexual or transgender person for hours and have a really good (or at least interesting) conversation with them. I have nothing but good feelings for Lesbians and Gays, but I don't feel like I they need to advocate for me as they will never completely understand my issues any more than I will understand theirs. What I will say, however, is that I feel the LG part of LGBT is the tip of the sword so to speak when it comes to awareness. Any advances made in social acceptance by Lesbians and Gays will do nothing but benefit Bisexuals and Transexuals. For now, at least, we bisexuals living outwardly heterosexual lives have to remain silent while transexuals are still viewed as outcasts. I like to believe that acceptance will eventually come to all, but it is a big obstacle to overcome. |
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iceveela
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:35 pm Post subject: um... |
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Are we of the LGBT NOT supposed to be accepting? Are we not supposed to be an example to others that we will not toss your out no matter who you are? the rainbow is about everything being together.
why would red say to blue "we do not need you anymore"? It's like as aspies telling autistic folk and people with other similar illnesses to "take a hike". It's like saying "F-you Schizophrenia!"
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The first post in this thread brought up the issue of transgender and bisexual people being supportive or not of gays. What about the other way around?
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2011/12/11/led-child-who-simply-knew/SsH1U9Pn9JKArTiumZdxaL/story.html
In this article, a Gay Straight Alliance changes it's name to the Gay Straight Transgender Alliance because of choosing to be support of a M to F transgender student.
It's in the section marked "Changed atmosphere". (The whole article is worth reading, but it's only one paragraph well into the article that relates to this thread.)
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:33 am Post subject: |
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| Mysty wrote: | The first post in this thread brought up the issue of transgender and bisexual people being supportive or not of gays. What about the other way around?
http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2011/12/11/led-child-who-simply-knew/SsH1U9Pn9JKArTiumZdxaL/story.html
In this article, a Gay Straight Alliance changes it's name to the Gay Straight Transgender Alliance because of choosing to be support of a M to F transgender student.
It's in the section marked "Changed atmosphere". (The whole article is worth reading, but it's only one paragraph well into the article that relates to this thread.) |
An outstanding story--beyond even the issue relevant to this thread.
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Wow. I have never heard an anti bi anti trans rant from someone who identifies as gay/ Lesbian before 
I don't see what the point would be.
I'm gonna go opposite and say I think more labels should be added to the LBGT -
A - asexuals
I - intersex
and F - Fag hags & friends of LBGT 
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iceveela
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| misswoofalot wrote: | Wow. I have never heard an anti bi anti trans rant from someone who identifies as gay/ Lesbian before
I don't see what the point would be.
I'm gonna go opposite and say I think more labels should be added to the LBGT |
LGBTTQQAAI
Lesbian
gay
bisexual
transsexual
transgender
queer
questioning
asexual
allies
and intersex
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| EXPECIALLY wrote: | | I think trans people still need a larger group to identify with, JMO. |
A great many do identify with one of two much larger groups – "men" and "women". |
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| melissa17b wrote: | | EXPECIALLY wrote: | | I think trans people still need a larger group to identify with, JMO. |
A great many do identify with one of two much larger groups – "men" and "women". |
So when they are bullied and murdered it's because they were being accepted by one of these two larger groups? |
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misswoofalot
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| iceveela wrote: | | misswoofalot wrote: | Wow. I have never heard an anti bi anti trans rant from someone who identifies as gay/ Lesbian before
I don't see what the point would be.
I'm gonna go opposite and say I think more labels should be added to the LBGT |
LGBTTQQAAI
Lesbian
gay
bisexual
transsexual
transgender
queer
questioning
asexual
allies
and intersex |
^^^^^
This 
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| iceveela wrote: | | misswoofalot wrote: | Wow. I have never heard an anti bi anti trans rant from someone who identifies as gay/ Lesbian before
I don't see what the point would be.
I'm gonna go opposite and say I think more labels should be added to the LBGT |
LGBTTQQAAI
Lesbian
gay
bisexual
transsexual
transgender
queer
questioning
asexual
allies
and intersex |
Need to get twin-spirited in there.
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