Mysty
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| EXPECIALLY wrote: | | melissa17b wrote: | | EXPECIALLY wrote: | | I think trans people still need a larger group to identify with, JMO. |
A great many do identify with one of two much larger groups – "men" and "women". |
So when they are bullied and murdered it's because they were being accepted by one of these two larger groups? |
A group to identify with and be accepted by perhaps. And I think it's the acceptance that's more important.
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Whizper
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:24 am Post subject: Wow... Just Wow. |
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I'm pretty much blown away by the level of bullshit contained in the original post. Dude, you're hostile...
Adjust your attitude. If you are not part of the solution (unity, tolerance and cooperation) you are part of the problem (division between peoples, discrimination and intolerance).
The problem isn't fence sitting bisexuals or mentally ill transgenders, it is people like you who turn your back on the freaky kid next to you who has been marginalised just as much as you have and saying " Your sh** is too heavy for me. You go find somewhere else to hang out. Me and my friends were almost getting into the party that the cool kids are having, and you're dragging me down mate."
Most of all I want to give you a hug, because I know you are frustrated, and I know you just want everything to come right in the world so that you can love who you want without all this crap coming into it. But please dude, we need to stick together, cause we are all in the same boat - we aren't straight.
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Bun
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Sorry? Time for us BTs to drop you LGs! You can't fire us, we quit!  |
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layla87
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| Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Time for LG to drop the BT! |
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| AspieRoss wrote: | I know this is not a popular opinion, but here it is.
Gays and Lesbians NEVER get any support from the tens of thousands of Bi-Sexuals out there. NEVER. You never here from self-proclaimed BI's on TV or marching in parades. They don't like us, and avoid associating with us.
So how about we let them have their own alliance. Separate them from the Lesbian Gay Alliance.
Also - Transgenders/Transexuals claim to be born the wrong gender... which is NOT being gay at all.
They should have their own alliance, since they are unique... they don't fit into Straight or Gay alliances, since they claim to be Straight/just born the wrong gender. Again, I don't believe the Lesbian and Gay alliances are being served by including this sub-sect of society into our groups.
So come on all you Gays and Lesbians. BOYCOTT the term LGBT!!
It's time for us to stop trying to be so politically correct. Let's make our groups L/G or G/L groups... and lets finally grop the BT.
Bisexuals don't need a group, since they never identify as BI (at least publicly).
Transexuals need their own group, since their issues are unique. |
LGBT and sometimes Q are used to classify an umbrella of people who deviate in some way from sexual norms. Gays and Lesbians deviate in showing a preference to their own gender, as well as bisexuals who like both genders,
Transgendered and transexuals deviate in their gender indentity.
I cannot stand this ignorant and hostile segregation within the gay community, people need to grow up. |
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Vale
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| I think it's better if we all stick togeather, we are aiming for unity after all... |
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camelCase
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 2:54 am Post subject: Re: Time for LG to drop the BT! |
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| Jesus... you know, my life would be a whole lot f***ing easier if I were just a gay person, rather than a trans person. I don't want this burden, it is merely who I am.... and my sexual orientation is like, not even relevant because I find myself attracted to people of both genders... Oh wait, but you probably do not believe in bisexual people either (btw I have personally seen tons of this "bi-bashing" by gay men and women). |
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camelCase
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| Fnord wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Pedophiles rape children, make or enjoy pornography featuring rape of children, fantasize about raping children, or any combination of the foregoing - that is what's wrong with them, and that makes them horrible people. |
Don't be too nasty. Actually getting involved with children (which, because of the fact that children don't really understand what is happening and that the adult in is in a position of authority, should be considered rape) is definitely wrong and there must be consequences for that. But I do feel some compassion for people who have these urges that for a moral reason must be repressed. I don't think we should demonize them simply for fantasizing. Actually acting out those fantasies, yes, but not having the fantasies |
Why are you supporting leniency for pedophiles? Why have any sympathy for pedophiles at all? THEY are the nasty people. THEY rape children. THEY make videos of themselves raping children. THEY share those videos with each other, and even if they don't, it is THEY who buy those videos for their own sexual gratification, thus providing financial incentive for even more rape and abuse of children.
How do I know this? I served on a jury that both convicted a pedophile and recommended the maximum penalty. I saw some of the disgusting atrocities these deviants committed on children, and the very idea that anyone would derive enjoyment from these acts - either directly or indirectly - is sickening. Yet here you are, calling me "nasty" for hating them and their violent perversions against defenseless children.
THEY do not deserve any leniency or sympathy at all. What THEY deserve is only to be kept away from children, and by any legal means necessary. |
Hm. I think you missed the point. Pedophilia, as I understand it, is a sexual attraction to children. I know that a lot of people who are pedophiles are not only disgusted often by their own desires, but never act out on them to boot. I used to think the same way until I did some reading. I believe, however, if someone is involved in child pornography, rape, molestation, anything of that nature, of course, it is a different story. How'd you like it if you just couldn't shake the urge to have sex with someone's child? I bet it's miserable and depressing and a very dark and scary place to be. |
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Ysone
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| well. what's the point of doing this? why can't we all be doing something constructive instead of hating everybody? let them do whatever they want man. i call myself a lesbian because it is better. |
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jamieevren1210
Sherlock Holmes has Asperger's hands down
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| Posted: Mon Jan 16, 2012 9:31 am Post subject: |
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Then what's left is a consumer electronics company... 
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puddingmouse
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| Bun wrote: | | Sorry? Time for us BTs to drop you LGs! You can't fire us, we quit! |
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Mysty
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 5:28 pm Post subject: |
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| camelCase wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | AstroGeek wrote: | | Fnord wrote: | | Pedophiles rape children, make or enjoy pornography featuring rape of children, fantasize about raping children, or any combination of the foregoing - that is what's wrong with them, and that makes them horrible people. |
Don't be too nasty. Actually getting involved with children (which, because of the fact that children don't really understand what is happening and that the adult in is in a position of authority, should be considered rape) is definitely wrong and there must be consequences for that. But I do feel some compassion for people who have these urges that for a moral reason must be repressed. I don't think we should demonize them simply for fantasizing. Actually acting out those fantasies, yes, but not having the fantasies |
Why are you supporting leniency for pedophiles? Why have any sympathy for pedophiles at all? THEY are the nasty people. THEY rape children. THEY make videos of themselves raping children. THEY share those videos with each other, and even if they don't, it is THEY who buy those videos for their own sexual gratification, thus providing financial incentive for even more rape and abuse of children.
How do I know this? I served on a jury that both convicted a pedophile and recommended the maximum penalty. I saw some of the disgusting atrocities these deviants committed on children, and the very idea that anyone would derive enjoyment from these acts - either directly or indirectly - is sickening. Yet here you are, calling me "nasty" for hating them and their violent perversions against defenseless children.
THEY do not deserve any leniency or sympathy at all. What THEY deserve is only to be kept away from children, and by any legal means necessary. |
Hm. I think you missed the point. Pedophilia, as I understand it, is a sexual attraction to children. I know that a lot of people who are pedophiles are not only disgusted often by their own desires, but never act out on them to boot. I used to think the same way until I did some reading. I believe, however, if someone is involved in child pornography, rape, molestation, anything of that nature, of course, it is a different story. How'd you like it if you just couldn't shake the urge to have sex with someone's child? I bet it's miserable and depressing and a very dark and scary place to be. |
Yes, the word Pedophilia can mean sexual attraction to children, with or without acting on it. But that's one possible meaning of the word, not the only meaning of it. And likewise pedophile.
In it's most common usage, pedophile refers to someone who engages in sexual behavior with children, with or without sexual desire to go with those actions.
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Ambivalence
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| Posted: Tue Jan 17, 2012 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Ysone wrote: | | well. what's the point of doing this? |
Expressing a very loose group solidarity in the face of an angry muppet? Something along those lines, ywis.
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leviathans
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| Mysty wrote: |
In it's most common wrong usage, pedophile refers to someone who engages in sexual behavior with children, with or without sexual desire to go with those actions. |
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Mysty
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| leviathans wrote: | | Mysty wrote: |
In it's most common wrong usage, pedophile refers to someone who engages in sexual behavior with children, with or without sexual desire to go with those actions. |
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YOUR opinion that that's wrong usage. But no one put you in charge of the English language.
Wiktionary puts it well:
| Quote: | | Although strictly defined as one who is attracted to pre-pubescent children, pedophile is usually used and interpreted as describing adults who engage in sexual activity with children and/or teenagers below the age of consent. |
Like it or not, that looser usage is out there and more common in usage than the stricter definition.
Two meanings of the same word, related but different. That's reality. And that's quite often how language works.
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iceveela
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| Posted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, lets see something for a moment...
WHY THE **** DOES EVERY DEBATE ABOUT LGBT I HAVE READ TURN INTO A DEBATE OVER PEDOPHILIA!?!?!?!?!?
Pedophilia is the sexual attraction to kids who have yet to gone through puberty. Just as heterosexuality is the sexual attraction to people of the opposite sex, and Coprophilia is sexual attraction to feces. You do not have to smear crap on your face to be a Coprophile, nor do you need to molest a kid to be a pedophile.
I am tired of reading a debate on Homosexuality just to see it turn into a argument over the attraction to prepubescent minors!
Now that THAT is over with! Lets go back on topic!!!
Should the lesbian and Gay community Shun the Bisexual and Transgender community?
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