artrat
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| Inuyasha wrote: | As a Conservative, I don't particularly care if liberals want to make a fool of themselves and demonstrate their lack of respect for the majority of the American People, that's their business.
Just don't come crying when Christians have no respect for them. |
If I were a Christian I would rather my messiah be a commie than a conservative.
I agree with most of the ideas of communism.
If Jesus were real he probably would be a commie since he cares about equality.
I am not a liberal either but conservatives are destroying the world much worse than liberals.
I think Micheal Moore has made some very good films.
"Capitalism ,a love story" is one of my favorite documentaries of all time. |
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pandabear
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What if Jesus really was an American conservative? A Mr. Moneybags? A titan of Wall Street? A banker? So rich that he could build himself a needle so big that a whole herd of camels could walk through its eye?
What if Jesus really did despise the poor? What if Jesus really did spit on raped women, and leave them to die in the street?
That would really be a Repugnant Repugnican religion. |
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MCalavera
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| Burnbridge wrote: | Hmmm...didn't like moneylenders. Didn't like religious patriarchs. Handed out free food. Healed people and didn't ask for payment. Didn't like the Roman government. Lived in a communal house with 12 other dudes. Didn't charge money for his performances. Worked a low class proletarian craft job as a carpenter. Sounds pretty communist so far, especially the communal living and meals bit.
I know a bunch Christian communists. They rule. |
That's not exclusive of commies only especially in first-century Palestine.
By the way, Jesus was very religious and wanted his disciples to abide by the law even better than the Pharisees. |
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Inuyasha
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| artrat wrote: | | Inuyasha wrote: | As a Conservative, I don't particularly care if liberals want to make a fool of themselves and demonstrate their lack of respect for the majority of the American People, that's their business.
Just don't come crying when Christians have no respect for them. |
If I were a Christian I would rather my messiah be a commie than a conservative.
I agree with most of the ideas of communism.
If Jesus were real he probably would be a commie since he cares about equality.
I am not a liberal either but conservatives are destroying the world much worse than liberals.
I think Micheal Moore has made some very good films.
"Capitalism ,a love story" is one of my favorite documentaries of all time. |
Compassion does not equal Communism.
Charity does not equal Communism.
Jesus advocated people make their own choice to help others, he did not advocate that government force one group of people to give the fruits of their labors to another group of people.
That is a fundamental difference that many people on the left don't understand. |
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pandabear
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| Inuyasha wrote: | | artrat wrote: | | Inuyasha wrote: | As a Conservative, I don't particularly care if liberals want to make a fool of themselves and demonstrate their lack of respect for the majority of the American People, that's their business.
Just don't come crying when Christians have no respect for them. |
If I were a Christian I would rather my messiah be a commie than a conservative.
I agree with most of the ideas of communism.
If Jesus were real he probably would be a commie since he cares about equality.
I am not a liberal either but conservatives are destroying the world much worse than liberals.
I think Micheal Moore has made some very good films.
"Capitalism ,a love story" is one of my favorite documentaries of all time. |
Compassion does not equal Communism.
Charity does not equal Communism.
Jesus advocated people make their own choice to help others, he did not advocate that government force one group of people to give the fruits of their labors to another group of people.
That is a fundamental difference that many people on the left don't understand. |
Read your damned Bible already.
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Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? Shall we give, or shall we not give? But he, knowing their hypocrisy, said unto them, Why tempt ye me? bring me a penny, that I may see it. And they brought it. And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription? And they said unto him, Caesar's. And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. |
Jesus advocated that people give the government what the government demands. |
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ruveyn
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I agree with most of the ideas of communism.
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Communism is anti-property. If you take scriptures seriously then note that God is very pro-property.
1/5 of the ten commandments pertain to movable property.
And there is a Commandment against coveting. That pretty well eliminates Communism which is almost entirely about coveting.
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Regardless if Jesus wasn't a communist, he certainly was a radical for his day.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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Tadzio
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 3:35 am Post subject: Jesus As Karl Marx |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | artrat wrote: |
I agree with most of the ideas of communism.
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Communism is anti-property. If you take scriptures seriously then note that God is very pro-property.
1/5 of the ten commandments pertain to movable property.
And there is a Commandment against coveting. That pretty well eliminates Communism which is almost entirely about coveting.
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Hi ruveyn,
You got the book of scriptures backwards on this one. Either that, or you are using the Ayn Rand Scriptures again.
Communism is too divine for humanity, and Capitalism is too degenerate for humanity.
Tadzio |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | And there is a Commandment against coveting. That pretty well eliminates Communism which is almost entirely about coveting. |
And here I thought communism was about sharing everything and not coveting possessions. Not hoarding them to yourself. I thought it was capitalism that was all about trying to wheedle your neighbors out of everything they owned. Silly me.
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Burnbridge
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Jesus As Karl Marx |
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| Tadzio wrote: | | Communism is too divine for humanity, and Capitalism is too degenerate for humanity. |
That's a nice turn of phrase. Me like. Reminds me of the Divine Comedies.
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pandabear
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| Posted: Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | | artrat wrote: |
I agree with most of the ideas of communism.
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Communism is anti-property. If you take scriptures seriously then note that God is very pro-property.
1/5 of the ten commandments pertain to movable property.
And there is a Commandment against coveting. That pretty well eliminates Communism which is almost entirely about coveting.
ruveyn |
That's the old testament. Jesus said that Moses had given the ancient Hebrews the right to divorce their wives because of the hardness of their hearts. Jesus turned that upside down, and everything else. Jesus advocates that his followers simply give up their earthly property, and follow him. |
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peebo
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| Inuyasha wrote: |
Jesus advocated people make their own choice to help others, he did not advocate that government force one group of people to give the fruits of their labors to another group of people.
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neither do communists.
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peebo
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| ruveyn wrote: |
Communism is anti-property. |
no it's not.
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or this either.
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Inuyasha
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| peebo wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: |
Communism is anti-property. |
no it's not.
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or this either. |
Actually it is, if you studied history, you would know that what ruveyn said is accurate. |
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Abgal64
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| Inuyasha wrote: | | peebo wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: |
Communism is anti-property. |
no it's not.
| Quote: | Communism which is almost entirely about coveting.
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or this either. |
Actually it is, if you studied history, you would know that what ruveyn said is accurate. |
Communism is anti-PRIVATE property; property is inherent in all economic systems, it is the way it is distributed that basically defines the economic system.
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