MagicToenail
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| Tim_Tex wrote: | What's a troglodyte?
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I was also quite frankly thinking of the Dungeons and Dragons monster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troglodyte_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
It is of below average intelligence, attacks anything that is different, and secretes a foul odor |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| MagicToenail wrote: | | Tim_Tex wrote: | What's a troglodyte?
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I was also quite frankly thinking of the Dungeons and Dragons monster
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troglodyte_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons)
It is of below average intelligence, attacks anything that is different, and secretes a foul odor |
Ah, a right wing Republican! 
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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MagicToenail
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Bataar, love your avatar, but you are wrong about Santorum, Simply based on this objections to Loving vs Virginia, he is definately a hypocrite to Catholism, and I dare say being an American and is either
A. Racist or
B. So stupid that if he ever farts his head would cave in
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CrazyCatLord
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| Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people. |
That's what marriage is in practice throughout the entire Western World. A state or government recognized domestic contract between two persons.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can. |
There is no unchangeable reality to marriage. It is a social custom and a legal institution that has changed a lot over the centuries. In biblical times, marriage used to be between a man and his disenfranchised harem of wives and concubines. Some cultures practiced polyandry, others had polygamous marriages between two sisters and two brothers (such as the Maori of New Zealand), and the ancient Romans allowed gay marriage until 342 CE.
This shows that marriage is whatever we want it to be. The only constant throughout all ages and cultures is that marriage was a domestic partnership between several people. If we wanted it to remain traditional, we would have to reinstitute arranged marriages with dowries and disenfranchised underage brides. Luckily we've progressed beyond that. It makes no sense to stop this ongoing progress towards greater equality now.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
In most states, civil unions / domestic partnerships don't grant couples all of the state-recognized rights, protections and benefits that are given to married same-sex couples. There are also legal requirements in some states, such as cohabitation and access to long-term care insurance, that don't apply to married people. And if "unionized" or "domestically partnershipped" couples move to a different state, their union might not be recognized at their new place of residence. That's not equality.
Besides, as you can see in the above paragraph, the wording is also an issue. Nobody gets down on their knees and asks their partner "do you want to unionize me". Imagine we came up with a new term for interracial marriage. "You can't get married, you can only have an interracial union" is utterly unthinkable. Even if the rights and benefits were exactly the same, the different term would still constitute discrimination. |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:05 pm Post subject: |
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| MagicToenail wrote: | Bataar, love your avatar, but you are wrong about Santorum, Simply based on this objections to Loving vs Virginia, he is definately a hypocrite to Catholism, and I dare say being an American and is either
A. Racist or
B. So stupid that if he ever farts his head would cave in
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My wife and I just got a laugh from your post.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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Raptor
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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This guy should get a check from Santorum. He's probably unintentionally won more votes for him with all that delusional ranting and vulgarity. |
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Vigilans
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| Posted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Raptor wrote: |
This guy should get a check from Santorum. He's probably unintentionally won more votes for him with all that delusional ranting and vulgarity. |
Santorum's presence in 21st century politics is a vulgarity
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| Santorum is infuriating |
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Kraichgauer
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And since proclaiming things like that Satan is America's number one enemy, and that Mainline Protestants are controlled by Satan, I think it's a good bet that he needs to be heavily medicated.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:22 am Post subject: |
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| Bataar wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | | Bataar wrote: | | CrazyCatLord wrote: | Well, some people used to believe that college education was between a white male teacher and his white male students. Black and/or female people were either not white or not male, or neither, which showed -- so the reasoning back then -- that their intellectual capacity was different than that of white males.
This traditional paradigm turned out to be complete and utter BS though, just like the hardcore Christian definition of marriage. Marriage is a legal union between two adult people, nothing more and nothing less. There are many married childless couples, because procreation has never been a requirement for marriage. |
According to who? The federal government doesn't define marriage as a legal union between two adult people.
| Quote: | | Sorry, but Christian white cisgender men don't get to decide what kind of relationships LGBT people can or cannot have. That's up to them to decide. |
It's not about deciding, it's about reality. A lesbian couple cannot have the same kind of relationship a male/female couple can.
| Quote: | | There is no rational reason why gay couples shouldn't have joint ownership rights, hospital visitation rights, and medical decision-making rights like heterosexual couples. Those rights don't have anything to do with their capacity to give birth. We don't deny these rights to infertile women, so we can't deny them to gay and lesbians couples either. Many of these couples already have children btw. |
You're right and I don't think anyone on this thread or Rick Santorum is advocating this. I believe that they should have the same rights you listed above. Which, I believe is the case in just about every state in this country. |
As far as I'm concerned, a marriage is first and foremost about love between two people who want to share their lives together; and I think that's how most people today see it. So yes, a same sex couple can have the same kind of relationship.
And did I understand you properly - that infertile couples needn't get married as they can't have children?
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Can the same sex couples' love result in the creation of new life? Obviously not, so therefore it is different. The fact that the possibility isn't even there makes it different.
I keep hearing people say that they think marrige is about love between two people. What about blood relatives? If a brother and sister want to get married should they be able to? What about a father and daughter? |
I think inbreeding and homoexuality are different things entirely, but I could be wrong.... |
Again, I agree. They are two very different things. However, the same argument for marriage can be made for both. |
How so?
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CrazyCatLord
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| Alexender wrote: | | Santorum is infuriating |
It really is  There is no way to get those stains out of the sheets. |
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auntblabby
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| Alexender wrote: | | Santorum is infuriating |
just seeing that smarmy self-righteous mug of his, makes me wanna expectorate in his general direction.  and just hearing that smarmy self-righteous whine of his, makes me wanna vomit in his general direction.  he reminds me of every sanctimoniously pedantic religious bully i've ever met. why does god plague humanity with the likes of this sanctimonious ooze? is [p]rick sanctimonium trying to take satan's job?  and i though sununu was as bad as it could get... 
here are song lyrics that express how i feel-
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium (sung to the tune of "Mother in Law")
The worst person I know
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
he worries me so-
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
If he'd leave us alone
We would have a happy home
Sent from down below
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
Satan should be his name
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
To me they're 'bout the same
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
Every time he opens his mouth
His foot goes in, never pulls it back out
How could he stoop so low?
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium
I come home with my pay
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
He asks me what I made
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
He thinks getting rich is in the constitution
But if he would leave that would be the solution
And don't come back no more-
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium
Oh, Yeah... |
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marshall
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| Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:34 pm Post subject: |
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| auntblabby wrote: | | Alexender wrote: | | Santorum is infuriating |
just seeing that smarmy self-righteous mug of his, makes me wanna expectorate in his general direction. and just hearing that smarmy self-righteous whine of his, makes me wanna vomit in his general direction. he reminds me of every sanctimoniously pedantic religious bully i've ever met. why does god plague humanity with the likes of this sanctimonious ooze? is [p]rick sanctimonium trying to take satan's job? and i though sununu was as bad as it could get...
here are song lyrics that express how i feel-
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium (sung to the tune of "Mother in Law")
The worst person I know
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
he worries me so-
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
If he'd leave us alone
We would have a happy home
Sent from down below
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
Satan should be his name
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
To me they're 'bout the same
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
Every time he opens his mouth
His foot goes in, never pulls it back out
How could he stoop so low?
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium
I come home with my pay
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
He asks me what I made
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium-
He thinks getting rich is in the constitution
But if he would leave that would be the solution
And don't come back no more-
(Sanctimonious Ooze) Prick Sanctimonium
Oh, Yeah... |
| typical raptor response wrote: | Nyah-Nyah-Nyah... Hardy Har Har... 
Tell me how you really feel, you big baby! Give me an indication for who I should vote for!
You know I'm satan's hired jester. Now I shall swoop down and poop on your head! |
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