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08 Feb 2012, 1:14 am

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I've had this idea batting around in my noodle for the last few weeks. It's not a new idea.

If you are the observer of your own dreams, and they are real to you while you're sleeping, what makes them any less "real" than reality?

If spacetime is merely a collection of ripples, are not your dreams merely a collection of ripples as well?

Is it only a question of scale?


I am what is called a "lucid dreamer". I know my dreams are dreams, however I have a presence in them which enables me to control them. I came on this ability accidentally many years ago and I have not had a nightmare since. In dreams in which I am a participant or player I am self aware. I can control the events and I can end the dream at will.

Even though my dreams are not real they are an opportunity to think about certain matters that come up in the dreams. I do very good dialogues in my dreams which I am unable to equal when I am awake.


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interesting. i've had partially lucid dreams a couple of times, where i have become aware, in the dream, that i am dreaming, and have been able to temporarily control it. however, each time, i've lost control of it and it's become a terrible nightmare. it is strange as i very rarely ever have nightmares normally. it'd be great to have lucid dreams all the time. i'd spend so much time asleep...


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08 Feb 2012, 1:34 am

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Really? I loved the film. 8O


I even defend Bicentennial Man, but What Dreams May Come was terrible IMHO. Even "Hook" was better.



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08 Feb 2012, 1:36 am

I don't remember Hook well at all, but I didn't dislike it as much as the critics. Same for Jumanji.


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08 Feb 2012, 2:41 am

blauSamstag wrote:
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Really? I loved the film. 8O


I even defend Bicentennial Man, but What Dreams May Come was terrible IMHO. Even "Hook" was better.


Wow, Hook has been mentionned? Been a while since I saw that movie, a long while...

I personnally think that Robin Williams is a pretty good addition to whatever role he plays, from what I've seen so far. =/ (And I've seen quite a lot...)

Anyone remembers "Toys"? <.<



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08 Feb 2012, 2:45 am

Oh yes, I've seen Toys in the cinema, and at least once again on TV. Not bad, if I recall my impression correctly.


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18 Feb 2012, 10:06 pm

cw10 wrote:
I've had this idea batting around in my noodle for the last few weeks. It's not a new idea.

If you are the observer of your own dreams, and they are real to you while you're sleeping, what makes them any less "real" than reality?

If spacetime is merely a collection of ripples, are not your dreams merely a collection of ripples as well?

Is it only a question of scale?

ok SO i was reading Science magazine and i read an interesting article called "Another Remembered Present" by Kaspar Meyer, and it made me think of this thread. the article summary:

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Intuition tells us that perceptual experience—the seamless flow of conscious images of vision, sound, touch, and so forth—reflects the external world. Accordingly, information flow along the brain's sensory pathways has been thought to follow a caudo-rostral direction, away from the ports of entry, toward integrative cortices in the anterior parts of the frontal and temporal lobes. However, this view of a unidirectional, “bottom-up” processing cascade is challenged by findings which suggest that there is also information transfer in the opposite, “top-down” direction, from association areas toward early sensory cortices. A particularly intriguing observation is that while the initial bottom-up activation sweep along the sensory pathways can accomplish stimulus processing of considerable complexity and yield certain automated behaviors, conscious awareness of a sensory object appears to depend on top-down signals (1–3), as observed in the visual (4), auditory (5), and somatosensory (6) systems. Why is this the case?

http://www.sciencemag.org/content/335/6067/415.summary

basically, there is neuroscientific evidence that seems to indicate that conscious "experience" is not really just occurring as an external process that we absorb wholesale, but rather it is a bidirectional process where our minds interpret and decode what we see as it is happening. the article explains this phenomenon in depth to a degree that i can't summarise very well (and it doesn't completely pertain to this thread), but at the conclusion the author notes:

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Intriguingly, the idea that perceptual images are not a direct reflection of the environment has precedence. Consciousness has been described as "an intrinsic property arising from the expression of existing dispositions of the brain to be active in certain ways. It is a close kin to dreaming, where sensory input by constraining the instrinsic functional state specifies, rather than informs, the brain of those properties of external reality that are important for survival".


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18 Feb 2012, 11:55 pm

So, the New Agers who claim we each create our own reality are right - at least as long as that reality is confined to our own minds. Sounds kind of like saying everything is a matter of perspective, at least to a certain extent.

As for dreams being only about what's going on in our heads, I found out that wasn't true when I was in junior high school. I was taking a nap when I dreamed that someone kept calling my name over and over. I kept answering, but it did no good. I finally woke up actually grumbling, "What?! !" It was then that I found out my father had been calling me for dinner.

I've had elements of my physical state either enter my dream in some way or change the nature of the dream as a whole. If I'm sleeping in an awkward position, causing me back pain, I may dream that someone is doing something bad to me that is hurting my back. If I overheat under too many covers, I may have a nightmare of some sort. If I drift back to sleep in the morning while waiting for the bathroom because my girlfriend is in there first, I may have some strange bathroom imagery in my dream.

Alternately, if I wake from a strange dream, it may affect my mood and thinking for the rest of the day - maybe even a couple of days.


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