AstroGeek
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: |
Obviously tremendous natural events can alter the climate in short order. But there is nothing of that kind happening. The most noteworthy variable in the modern climate is anthropogenic impact. |
The main regulators of temperature are the clouds. Cloud formation is heavily impacted by secondary and tertiary cosmic rays. The earth is constantly bombarded by cosmic rays and at times the bombardment is heavier than at other times. The people pushing AGW have not properly weighted the effect of cosmic rays.
See The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change by Henrik Svensmark
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All very well for you to get all skeptical. You'll be dead long before climate change has serious effects. It's my generation, and those following that will be living with it. And I can sure tell you that I don't want to take the risk of doing nothing and being wrong. Anyway, even if climate change isn't anthropogenic (which the vast majority of scientists--greater than 90%--say it is) it would still be bad, and reducing the CO2 in the atmosphere could help to reduce some of the impacts.
Also, it seems like your objection to anthropogenic climate change come from more ideological grounds than factual ones, considering you are capable of shifting between completely different explanations for it. If volcanoes aren't the cause of climate change then it must be cosmic rays. Whatever it is, it can't be humans doing it. |
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LKL
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| Clouds, cosmic rays, and volcanoes have all been accounted for. The primary driver of global warming during the current shift is anthropogenic CO2; this has been shown beyond reasonable doubt in the scientific community. As Gleick's psycho-hack papers demonstrate, the primary drivers of anti-warming hypotheses are fossil fuel industries and others who do not want to admit that civilization might require individual constraints. |
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CrazyCatLord
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| ruveyn wrote: | The main regulators of temperature are the clouds. Cloud formation is heavily impacted by secondary and tertiary cosmic rays. The earth is constantly bombarded by cosmic rays and at times the bombardment is heavier than at other times. The people pushing AGW have not properly weighted the effect of cosmic rays.
See The Chilling Stars: A New Theory of Climate Change by Henrik Svensmark
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Welcome to the climate change debate of the century! In this corner, we have Henrik Svensmark, a few think tanks funded by the oil industry, and a handful of conspiracy theorists for good measure.
The other corner is crowded with the 144,000 members of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the World Meteorological Organization, the European Science Foundation, the Royal Meteorological Society, the American Meteorological Society, the Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences, the Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society, the US National Academy of Science, the International Union for Quaternary Research, the Network of African Science Academies, the US National Research Council, the European Academy of Sciences and Arts, and the Joint National Academies (a joint venture of science academies from Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Cameroon, Canada, the Caribbean, China, France, Ghana, Germany, Indonesia, Ireland, Italy, India, Japan, Kenya, Madagascar, Malaysia, Mexico, Nigeria, New Zealand, Russia, Senegal, South Africa, Sudan, Sweden, Tanzania, Uganda, the United Kingdom, the United States, Zambia, and Zimbabwe). All bets are off! |
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