WilliamWDelaney
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| The Nordic concept of Hell sounds like a fun place. A widely misunderstood religion, although their idea of "Heaven" was of a fairly vicious nature, their concept of "Hell" was correspondingly softened, and it actually sounds like an interesting and kind of cool sort of place. |
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| techstepgenr8tion wrote: | | TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Quote: | | would you be able to stand being 'you', as the scope of your experiences has shaped you, out into infinity? |
What makes you so sure you would stay 'you' after death? |
That's really a couple of questions:
1) Is there an ultra-life?
Even if I were someone else essentially and forced to be 'this' in my temporal existence, it would have an impact if I had any memory. I can't imagine it being a good one though.
2) When you die do you remember the life you just left any longer?
If there's a life hereafter with no memory of life, I'm really not sure what's there, what its like, though I'd really have my doubts that its worthwhile in any way, shape or form as we'd still be slaves to the universe and it seems like wisdom would be pretty well locked off from us. |
Neither question can really be answered unless there's an afterlife, and even then we all would have to wait until death.
As for your specific answer, no. I would not want to retain the self I am now. Don't get me wrong, I like myself just fine. I just don't think I could take an eternity in this head of mine. 
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| Vigilans wrote: | | TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Quote: | | would you be able to stand being 'you', as the scope of your experiences has shaped you, out into infinity? |
What makes you so sure you would stay 'you' after death? |
 what makes you so sure you are 'you' before death |
I'm willing to bet you were joking here, but our sense of self in life is but an illusion.
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| TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Quote: | | would you be able to stand being 'you', as the scope of your experiences has shaped you, out into infinity? |
What makes you so sure you would stay 'you' after death? |
what makes you so sure you are 'you' before death |
I'm willing to bet you were joking here, but our sense of self in life is but an illusion. |
Or is illusion your sense of life, in self?
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confusipants, stop trying to confuse me 
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Is it my pants that are confused, or the pants within your mind?
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I surely don't think about your pants. Sorry to disappoint.
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That's good, pants should play no part in your thoughts about me 
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I find the concept of "hereafter" being a Christian country club where you are the same person you were in life doing fun activities forever after to be really hilarious.
If there is any form of "hereafter" I highly doubt the ego, memories, or anything of the sort survives the death of the brain.. |
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| Subotai wrote: | | I find the concept of "hereafter" being a Christian country club where you are the same person you were in life doing fun activities forever after to be really hilarious. |
If there is something like that and I find myself there by some odd fluke they better have Yuengling on draft.
| Subotai wrote: | | If there is any form of "hereafter" I highly doubt the ego, memories, or anything of the sort survives the death of the brain.. |
That's just it; they aren't built to handle eternity. They're too needy, too impulsive, too easily....bored. |
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| If the afterlife is anything like this world, then count me out. |
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| peebo wrote: | | it might be a little terrifying to think that you were simply going to exist for eternity with no escape, yes. |
That's a teensy bit of an understatement.
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| TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Quote: | | would you be able to stand being 'you', as the scope of your experiences has shaped you, out into infinity? |
What makes you so sure you would stay 'you' after death? |
what makes you so sure you are 'you' before death |
I'm willing to bet you were joking here, but our sense of self in life is but an illusion. |
I wouldn't say it's an illusion, but that it's more like the map isn't the territory. |
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| Posted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:29 am Post subject: Re: Would you even 'want' a life hereafter? |
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| techstepgenr8tion wrote: | | I ask this question from the standpoint of - would you be able to stand being 'you', as the scope of your experiences has shaped you, out into infinity? In thinking about it a bit more, I can't figure out how one could possibly even go to a permanent paradise and not be an utter failure at conformity or a bit of an outcast if what they went through while they were here or in other lives darkened them a bit or made them semi-serious. Even in a hypothetical heaven - especially if it were a libertarian existence - wouldn't we even be more likely to chase after shiny objects and ignore everything else? I think this is where, even if I were to look at something like... say... a Silvia Brown abstraction of 'heaven' where its an eternal second-life style playground without the glitches that it would still be as frustrating a place - socially - for people who had been through things or had been forced by life to become adults. Any thoughts on this as to why that view is off? |
you obviously can take this or leave this, but my take on it is that our sojourns down here in this hellworld are akin to classes or courses of study in a great [but brutally tough] school, and just as one doesn't dwell on their 8th grade geometry class travails during summer vacation, neither would they necessarily dwell upon their past life just departed, upon matriculation into the bright summer world above [IOW "the ultimate summer vacation"]. your heavenly identity or persona would be the core "YOU" and not the role you played in the most recent earthly costume ball. you would not necessarily be the same limited and blinkered human personality in the big upstairs. you would be plugged-in to the great illumination and would be totally unfettered by earthly concerns. it is only something to be looked forward-to with controlled [but welcoming] anticipation. |
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| AceOfSpades wrote: | | TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | TeaEarlGreyHot wrote: | | Quote: | | would you be able to stand being 'you', as the scope of your experiences has shaped you, out into infinity? |
What makes you so sure you would stay 'you' after death? |
what makes you so sure you are 'you' before death |
I'm willing to bet you were joking here, but our sense of self in life is but an illusion. |
I wouldn't say it's an illusion, but that it's more like the map isn't the territory. |
Are you suggesting our sense of self is the map and our self is the territory?
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