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| I personally find optimism a good way to set yourself up for disappointment but with pessimism you'll either get what you expect or be pleasantly surprised. |
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| hanyo wrote: | | I personally find optimism a good way to set yourself up for disappointment but with pessimism you'll either get what you expect or be pleasantly surprised. |
Your comment has made my very very early morning.  
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| Holy Carp! I go to sleep and miss a big fight! I'm never going to sleep again! And no fighting while I'm at work, or I'll have to quit, just to watch! |
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| Catman wrote: | | Holy Carp! I go to sleep and miss a big fight! I'm never going to sleep again! And no fighting while I'm at work, or I'll have to quit, just to watch! |
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| btbnnyr wrote: | | I dunno, maybe it is to balance out the other extreme of "you are a horrifically defective subhuman and should have been aborted" message. |
Seconded. If noone else believes in you, you'll have to believe in yourself |
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| gadge wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | pensieve wrote: | Oh lovely, the whole positivity vs. pessimistic attitude debate.
Some people do better to have one of those view points. For example I need to stay positive otherwise I would just stop functioning.
I find negativity to be unattractive too. But for some people it actually works for them to actually reach their goals. Don't ask me how that works. |
I used to try to stay positive, but I got sick of the disappointment I guess. But to each their own, optimism certainly makes things look more hopeful, I just cannot bring myself to feel very optimistic. |
quitting is easy, not quitting is hard
so hows that pessimistic negative attitude working out for you ? |
I've got a better question why do you care so much? How does my having a pessimistic attitude due to my life experiences have any effect on your life. Also I still have to wonder what your second response to me in this thread has to do with the thread topic.
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I'm proud of myself, because I'm living on my own and I graduated from high school. I'm proud of myself for holding down a job that I hated for three years in the 90s. I'm proud of myself because I've cleaned up my act, two and a half years ago.
None of these happen to do with AS. I don't see any reason in being proud of something I didn't achieve. I also don't see my AS as anything to be ashamed of, either. I don't even try to act NT in the sense that others might want to do. I like my kinks and my quirks too much.
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Excuse me - but Asperger's is NOT a disease. Is ADHD a disease? Is Mental Retardation a disease? Is Dyspraxia a disease? Is Dyslexia a disease?
No.
I think people who say it is a disease are being ignorant. If you scroll right down to the very bottom of this page, you will see a short note saying ''Asperger's is not a disease''. Whoever put that there wouldn't of put it there for nothing.
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The 'disease' issue just seems to be a problem of semantics, but personally I do consider Aspergers to be a disorder, it's certainly not a 'superior form of human evolution' or something like that (as I have seen some claim). I think being proud of the traits asperger's can produce is a good thing, I like being able to rapidly learn and utilise mathematical/computer-related concepts which may be linked to my diagnosis. However I'm also aware that the traits making me good in those areas (precision/logical thought etc) are probably detrimental to other aspects of my life (I weigh coffee out in the morning to 1/10 of a gram...). Ultimately having 'aspie pride' is no different from NTs being proud at the inherent skills/talents they possess. The only thing I really hate is when asperger-pride is accompanied by hate for NTs, autism is a broad spectrum but it's nothing compared to the vast spectrum NTs display, to count them as a single entity is grossly illogical.
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| eigerpere wrote: | | Sickpuppies124 wrote: | For some when they have Talents/Special Interests that they can attain in the real world Autism is a literally a gift from God. If you have average intelligence, suck at math or have no real interests Autism is more or less a lifelong demon that you battle yet nobody understands.
For everyone out there that has Aspie 'pride', good for you. I'm genuinely happy that you've found peace in yourself. |
It's so much more complicated than that and not black and white. You can have spectacular talent but not be able to talk or effectively advocate and unless you have a support network like family you can trust to help you're screwed just as much as someone without any special gift to go with the handicap.
I'm happy too that some feel good about their situation but they likely have that love and support which allows this. |
I do have support from my familly, but even with that my life still suck. 
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| CockneyRebel wrote: | I'm proud of myself, because I'm living on my own and I graduated from high school. I'm proud of myself for holding down a job that I hated for three years in the 90s. I'm proud of myself because I've cleaned up my act, two and a half years ago.
None of these happen to do with AS. I don't see any reason in being proud of something I didn't achieve. I also don't see my AS as anything to be ashamed of, either. I don't even try to act NT in the sense that others might want to do. I like my kinks and my quirks too much. |
You sir, are a man after my own heart. If you ever join an outfit I'm in, I'd be plum honored to serve beside you! I'm honored to share this condition with you! It's a privilege being acquainted with your, sir!
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| Joe90 wrote: | Excuse me - but Asperger's is NOT a disease. Is ADHD a disease? Is Mental Retardation a disease? Is Dyspraxia a disease? Is Dyslexia a disease?
No.
I think people who say it is a disease are being ignorant. If you scroll right down to the very bottom of this page, you will see a short note saying ''Asperger's is not a disease''. Whoever put that there wouldn't of put it there for nothing. |
I like the way you think on this subject too. Problem is, even though time is a constant, language is not. The meanings of words get changed all of the time. Disorders are being worded now as diseases and the other way around. Same thing happens in the courts. It is somewhat frustrating, to put it mildly. And history does repeat itself in this aspect. (sigh) All that said, while we are forced to roll with the punches, I think we're stuck with the fact that this is something that will not change - at least in our lifetimes.
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| Longshanks wrote: | | RandomNickname wrote: | What is with all the autie/aspie pride? Although, It's great that people have pride in themselves, there's a point where it goes from pride to narcissism. I've seen literally hundreds of posts claiming that people with AS are of some superior race. Have i been missing something? Aspergers has been nothing but a struggle.
Even on the bottom of all the webpages on this website, it has the footer 'Asperger's is not a disease'.
| http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disease wrote: |
dis·ease [dih-zeez]
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'a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.' |
How does Asperger's not fit into that definition? |
I'll start off by saying that if you can get a hold of Aghogday and Webcam, go for it! If anyone can answer your questions, they can! These guys really get technical but they are also very patient and all around great American guys to hang out with. Gadge is another guy you should get to know. The three of them help keep me sane. Auntblabby is also really helpful in keeping your sanity in check.
Aspergers is neurophysical - meaning that your brain is literally hard-wired differently. That means that the electrical impulses in your brain fire differently. It doesn't affect IQ. Just how you think. Having said that, a disease, as I was taught years ago, is an organisim that is introduced into your body. Chicken-pocks, for example is a disease because it is an organism and it enters your body. Pregnancy is technically a disease. With Aspergers, there is no organism or introduction. It's physical - or neurophysical if you like, and it just happens.
Does that help?
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@RandomNickname
I'll start by explaining that pregnancy isn't a disease/parasite and that its technical convention as being one is simply the result of someone being comical by neglecting the fact that all multicellular organisms that reproduce do so to survive and that since the the "parasite" is of similar DNA, it can't be called a parasite. People often use this convention to justify abortion, but it's really just an entertaining notion based on the fact that kids cost money. A parasite must be of a different species. The rebuttal to this would be "parasitic twins," a situation that exists when one twin gets more nutrition than the other and weakens their sibling in doing so. Calling them parasitic is fallacy however as the mechanics involved don't quite match, but that is an explanation for another time... Just saw this as an opportunity to tout my pro-life agenda 
Anyways, we are in fact hardwired differently as we have different DNA from neurotypicals that can be expressed to produce our phenotype or type of person. This is not to say that NTs don't also have our DNA, it just isn't being expressed in them. Now as for Aspergers not being a disease... I would rather define it as being a disease that develops when one doesn't have a self identity or like minded peers to mirror, when social norms and communication conventions separate someone from a homogenous existence with their fellow man. The disease isn't a problem with us, but rather a misunderstanding based on communication conventions that develop differently from which a disease of social and existential isolation can develop. So what I'm saying is that our understanding of Aspergers is wrong and the result of unnatural social structures, or rather just a shift in population and social leaders.
So we have a social disease, but not the one people think we have. The metrics are flawed and not attributed properly. We are by my measure a developing species of man in the process of evolution struggling to find ourselves. We are on the cusp of evolutionary change and working through our diversity as nature works out a stable solution to our existence. Some may point to our Neanderthal heritage and say we are subhuman, but no one is without "legacy" genetics, we all share genetics that have originated from sea mammals and whatever else we will eventually discover that is in our lineages, and evolutionary genetics are about developing traits for survival, the age of one's genetics doesn't really mean anything if it endows you with something.
I'd like to further expand this line of thought, but it's late and I have to work in the morning. |
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| Posted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:50 pm Post subject: Re: Aspie Pride? |
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| webcam wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | | RandomNickname wrote: | What is with all the autie/aspie pride? Although, It's great that people have pride in themselves, there's a point where it goes from pride to narcissism. I've seen literally hundreds of posts claiming that people with AS are of some superior race. Have i been missing something? Aspergers has been nothing but a struggle.
Even on the bottom of all the webpages on this website, it has the footer 'Asperger's is not a disease'.
| http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/disease wrote: |
dis·ease [dih-zeez]
noun
'a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment.' |
How does Asperger's not fit into that definition? |
I'll start off by saying that if you can get a hold of Aghogday and Webcam, go for it! If anyone can answer your questions, they can! These guys really get technical but they are also very patient and all around great American guys to hang out with. Gadge is another guy you should get to know. The three of them help keep me sane. Auntblabby is also really helpful in keeping your sanity in check.
Aspergers is neurophysical - meaning that your brain is literally hard-wired differently. That means that the electrical impulses in your brain fire differently. It doesn't affect IQ. Just how you think. Having said that, a disease, as I was taught years ago, is an organisim that is introduced into your body. Chicken-pocks, for example is a disease because it is an organism and it enters your body. Pregnancy is technically a disease. With Aspergers, there is no organism or introduction. It's physical - or neurophysical if you like, and it just happens.
Does that help?
Longshanks |
@RandomNickname
I'll start by explaining that pregnancy isn't a disease/parasite and that its technical convention as being one is simply the result of someone being comical by neglecting the fact that all multicellular organisms that reproduce do so to survive and that since the the "parasite" is of similar DNA, it can't be called a parasite. People often use this convention to justify abortion, but it's really just an entertaining notion based on the fact that kids cost money. A parasite must be of a different species. The rebuttal to this would be "parasitic twins," a situation that exists when one twin gets more nutrition than the other and weakens their sibling in doing so. Calling them parasitic is fallacy however as the mechanics involved don't quite match, but that is an explanation for another time... Just saw this as an opportunity to tout my pro-life agenda
Anyways, we are in fact hardwired differently as we have different DNA from neurotypicals that can be expressed to produce our phenotype or type of person. This is not to say that NTs don't also have our DNA, it just isn't being expressed in them. Now as for Aspergers not being a disease... I would rather define it as being a disease that develops when one doesn't have a self identity or like minded peers to mirror, when social norms and communication conventions separate someone from a homogenous existence with their fellow man. The disease isn't a problem with us, but rather a misunderstanding based on communication conventions that develop differently from which a disease of social and existential isolation can develop. So what I'm saying is that our understanding of Aspergers is wrong and the result of unnatural social structures, or rather just a shift in population and social leaders.
So we have a social disease, but not the one people think we have. The metrics are flawed and not attributed properly. We are by my measure a developing species of man in the process of evolution struggling to find ourselves. We are on the cusp of evolutionary change and working through our diversity as nature works out a stable solution to our existence. Some may point to our Neanderthal heritage and say we are subhuman, but no one is without "legacy" genetics, we all share genetics that have originated from sea mammals and whatever else we will eventually discover that is in our lineages, and evolutionary genetics are about developing traits for survival, the age of one's genetics doesn't really mean anything if it endows you with something.
I'd like to further expand this line of thought, but it's late and I have to work in the morning. |
A couple of things: 1) I'm pro life as well. 2) Pregnancy is classified as a disease in the ICD-9 that doctors use to list diagnoses. I should have mentioned that as a source. I have an ICD-9 that I still occasionally use when I investigate a medical fraud case in the civilian world.
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