Sweetleaf
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| MjrMajorMajor wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: |
Yeah and I can agree I mean how else do you describe someone shooting people for revenge...it is rather horrible, and its obviously going to upset people and they can only express things within their understanding of their environment. But it is important to remember social and environmental factors always have to be considered when people resort to extremes like that. |
There are always underlying social, environmental, and psychological factors for why people do these things. I think it's important to understand them to be able to curb repeat instances of people acting out through violence. That said, I am a firm believer in personal accountability. Unless you're dealing with actual insanity, which sounds like may have been the case with the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, then that person has made the choice to escalate the violence. Two wrongs don't make a right. |
Nor do three wrongs, but sometimes it seems our system does not always feel that way. Lets just say I learned some more or less disturbing things in psychology.
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unduki
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No. Murder is wrong.
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| unduki wrote: | | No. Murder is wrong. |
I don't think that was the question....of course murder is wrong.
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | No. Murder is wrong. |
I don't think that was the question....of course murder is wrong. |
Hmmmm, really? The question was if I felt sorry for bully victims who massacre people. I do not. That's why I wrote, "No."
I wrote, "Murder is wrong." because that is why I don't feel sorry for them.
Were the people killed at Columbine not murdered? They were, which is why I have no sympathy for the bully victims who retaliated by murdering people.
I don't understand your response, Sweetleaf. What did I say wrong? What was the question, other than the question?
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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| unduki wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | No. Murder is wrong. |
I don't think that was the question....of course murder is wrong. |
Hmmmm, really? The question was if I felt sorry for bully victims who massacre people. I do not. That's why I wrote, "No."
I wrote, "Murder is wrong." because that is why I don't feel sorry for them.
Were the people killed at Columbine not murdered? They were, which is why I have no sympathy for the bully victims who retaliated by murdering people.
I don't understand your response, Sweetleaf. What did I say wrong? What was the question, other than the question? |
Well I get you don't have sympathy for that, I just don't get the idea of having no sympathy for anyone if they do something wrong in general and its pretty clear murder is wrong...so I was just confused about that and based on my own experiences can't help but have sympathy but you certainly don't have to agree.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | No. Murder is wrong. |
I don't think that was the question....of course murder is wrong. |
Hmmmm, really? The question was if I felt sorry for bully victims who massacre people. I do not. That's why I wrote, "No."
I wrote, "Murder is wrong." because that is why I don't feel sorry for them.
Were the people killed at Columbine not murdered? They were, which is why I have no sympathy for the bully victims who retaliated by murdering people.
I don't understand your response, Sweetleaf. What did I say wrong? What was the question, other than the question? |
Well I get you don't have sympathy for that, I just don't get the idea of having no sympathy for anyone if they do something wrong in general and its pretty clear murder is wrong...so I was just confused about that and based on my own experiences can't help but have sympathy but you certainly don't have to agree. |
Maybe it's more like compassion than sympathy? Just saying. |
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| I feel sympathy for the bully victim, but I strongly condemn their acts of violence. However, if we corss the line from condemnationt o sympathy too much, what about hte mothers who kill their autistic children? Rationally understanding htat bullying, or other hardship, may lead to acting out in violence, is different from feeling sympathy for those who do it. |
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unduki
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: |
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| kojot wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | No. Murder is wrong. |
I don't think that was the question....of course murder is wrong. |
Hmmmm, really? The question was if I felt sorry for bully victims who massacre people. I do not. That's why I wrote, "No."
I wrote, "Murder is wrong." because that is why I don't feel sorry for them.
Were the people killed at Columbine not murdered? They were, which is why I have no sympathy for the bully victims who retaliated by murdering people.
I don't understand your response, Sweetleaf. What did I say wrong? What was the question, other than the question? |
Well I get you don't have sympathy for that, I just don't get the idea of having no sympathy for anyone if they do something wrong in general and its pretty clear murder is wrong...so I was just confused about that and based on my own experiences can't help but have sympathy but you certainly don't have to agree. |
Maybe it's more like compassion than sympathy? Just saying. |
Ok... but you wrote that my answer didn't speak to the question. What was the question?
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Do you feel any sympathy for bully victims who cause.... |
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| Sweetleaf wrote: | | But not all shootings have to do with bullying either...I just don't know I believe in evil people, I think everyone is capable of violence when pushed far enough over the edge. Again not trying to justify but it is the state of things. Also if right and wrong don't exist...how can you determine if someone is a horrible person? or be concerned with genocide being justified or not......seems like those things are getting kind of close to beliefs about right and wrong. |
I'm always surprised how few people really get that there are actually very few acts of evil committed by people thinking to themselves, "yeah, I'm gonna be evil, look at me, what a badass I am, and this proves it!" or whatever.
Most people on any side of a conflict are thinking to themselves "what I'm doing is necessary," or "what I'm doing is rightful," or "what I'm doing is just," or sometimes at the least "they'd do the same to me." The one that usually scares me is, "everyone else is doing it." |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| unduki wrote: | | kojot wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | unduki wrote: | | No. Murder is wrong. |
I don't think that was the question....of course murder is wrong. |
Hmmmm, really? The question was if I felt sorry for bully victims who massacre people. I do not. That's why I wrote, "No."
I wrote, "Murder is wrong." because that is why I don't feel sorry for them.
Were the people killed at Columbine not murdered? They were, which is why I have no sympathy for the bully victims who retaliated by murdering people.
I don't understand your response, Sweetleaf. What did I say wrong? What was the question, other than the question? |
Well I get you don't have sympathy for that, I just don't get the idea of having no sympathy for anyone if they do something wrong in general and its pretty clear murder is wrong...so I was just confused about that and based on my own experiences can't help but have sympathy but you certainly don't have to agree. |
Maybe it's more like compassion than sympathy? Just saying. |
Ok... but you wrote that my answer didn't speak to the question. What was the question? |
If you had sympathy for people who resort to that. but I guess I was just being litteral because you said no murder is wrong, so it kinda looked like just stating murder is wrong then answering. But it seems to me you were just trying to answer the question, I just mistook it...sorry about that. I mean I still feel differently about it but I certainly did not want to confuse you or cause any stress.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Do you feel any sympathy for bully victims who cause.... |
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| LittleSwallow wrote: | | Do you feel any sympathy for bully victims who cause school massacres, like Columbine and Virginia for example? |
None at all. Death is the most stupid solution to bullying, whether the death is one's own, the bully's, a group of innocent bystanders, or any combination thereof. |
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Do you feel any sympathy for bully victims who cause.... |
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| AngelKnight wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | But not all shootings have to do with bullying either...I just don't know I believe in evil people, I think everyone is capable of violence when pushed far enough over the edge. Again not trying to justify but it is the state of things. Also if right and wrong don't exist...how can you determine if someone is a horrible person? or be concerned with genocide being justified or not......seems like those things are getting kind of close to beliefs about right and wrong. |
I'm always surprised how few people really get that there are actually very few acts of evil committed by people thinking to themselves, "yeah, I'm gonna be evil, look at me, what a badass I am, and this proves it!" or whatever.
Most people on any side of a conflict are thinking to themselves "what I'm doing is necessary," or "what I'm doing is rightful," or "what I'm doing is just," or sometimes at the least "they'd do the same to me." The one that usually scares me is, "everyone else is doing it." |
With me it's usually, I am afraid I could lose control and hurt someone or attempt suicide again. I certainly do not want to do either of those things but I've already attempted one and as much as I really hate to even acknowledge it about myself sometimes I do get quite fed up with things and get thoughts I don't really want......but the more thoughts are in ones mind the more they subconsciously justify it and yeah.
Good people are capable of evil things and evil people are capable of good things, not that I typically define things as good & evil but its hard to make that statement without using those words. But I think it is kind of relevant to this. I mean I have a friend who was in the military and yes he has killed people, he's also one of the few people in the world that I really get along with well and he is very understanding of my difficulties.....yet at the same time he could easily kill someone or at least hospitalize them if under the right circumstances. He even has to tell people who start hanging out around him to be careful of sneaking up behind him or doing anything like that because he might over-react to put it nicely.
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| I used to but then I realized they are just insane because I would never do that. Why take away lives of innocent victims who have never bullied you? Why even go to jail? |
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| ChangelingGirl wrote: | | I feel sympathy for the bully victim, but I strongly condemn their acts of violence. However, if we corss the line from condemnationt o sympathy too much, what about hte mothers who kill their autistic children? Rationally understanding htat bullying, or other hardship, may lead to acting out in violence, is different from feeling sympathy for those who do it. |
just ran this through spell check
I feel sympathy for the bully victim, but I strongly condemn their acts of violence. However, if we cross the line from condemnation or sympathy too much, what about hate mothers who kill their autistic children? Rationally understanding hate bullying, or other hardship, may lead to acting out in violence, is different from feeling sympathy for those who do it.
to an extent i feel sorry that the kid was bullied to insanity than threw into jail to become more insane.
even for an aspie that much isolation is a bad idea. |
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CrazyStarlightRedux
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Majority against the Minory.
Life isn't fair but that is how it goes.
It is not right for people to randomly kill others no matter how lonely they get.
All they can do is choose not to be a part of the society or make an effort to sort out the diamonds from the coal. |
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