hyperlexian
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| Tequila wrote: | | TM wrote: | | It's funny how you're a feminist but appear to be defending Islam which is a religion which says that you should shut up about feminism because you embarrass your husband. |
Exactly. The only reason that people like hyperlexian can hold the beliefs that they do and express them without fear of state or extra-state violence against her are because of freedoms we enjoy in the Western world. Freedoms that simply don't exist in theocratic Muslim hellholes. Talking about your opinions openly there will earn you very harsh treatment.
A lot of these left-wing feminists seem to rather have a blind spot when it comes to Islam and don't condemn some of the appalling abuses carried out in the name of the Religion of Peace for fear of being branded racists or intolerant or, perhaps, threatened with physical or sexual violence. |
it seems like YOU have a blind spot about your own culture. do you have any idea how many women are killed or abused by non-Islamic men?
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Tequila
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | do you have any idea how many women are killed or abused by non-Islamic men? |
Do you know how many men are abused by non-Islamic women?
Oh, but we don't really want to talk about that. Women are always, always the victims. MOPE, MOPE, MOPE. |
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hyperlexian
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Tequila wrote: | | hyperlexian wrote: | | do you have any idea how many women are killed or abused by non-Islamic men? |
Do you know how many men are abused by non-Islamic women?
Oh, but we don't really want to talk about that. Women are always, always the victims. MOPE, MOPE, MOPE. |
yes i do know, and it is far fewer than the number of women who are abused and killed through gender violence. in fact, men are most likely to be killed by other men.
you are using the violence against ISLAMIC women as a personal platform for your own anti-islamic agenda. yet when other non-islamic women are victimised you feel it is necessary to make fun of them. i think your true feelings are quite clear.
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | yet when other non-islamic women are victimised you feel it is necessary to make fun of them. |
No. I'm moaning at your constant whinging about the plight of women whilst subtly minimising the plight of men. There are a lot of nasty, hateful, bullying and violent men out there, I'll give you that. There are also a lot of nasty, vindictive, manipulative and aggressive women that feel they can and often do get away with their mistreatment and abuse. Men are often told to "man up" when in that situation; women are routinely given far more sympathy from men and women alike.
A lot of domestic violence towards men from female partners is never disclosed out of extreme shame as well as cultural allowances made for women. Not only that, there simply isn't the resources for men suffering from domestic violence in the same way as women. Indeed, men have been known to be laughed at by women in these centres when they ask for help.
So, yes, I'll agree that abuse of women is a serious problem. Abuse of men is too, and this needs to be talked about.
So, no - domestic violence is most certainly a problem here too, as it is all over the world. The difference is that in Muslim theocratic states it is openly encouraged and exalted and is part of the national 'culture', heavily influenced by whatever shitcake form of their barbaric religion says. |
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hyperlexian
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except that i am not constantly whinging. which one of us has been active in several threads to whinge about Islam? not me.
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| I thought Hyperlexian brought up a good point actually, overlooking women's rights to enhance the privileges of men in any society will lead to an imbalance and a negative world view. Don't forget that we have fundamentalist Mormons on US soil who raise women to become subjugated to men, and isolate themselves from the rest of society in order to make this possible. When law enforcement raids them, they find a very backwards way of living, not a progressive one. Mormons faced a lot of persecution in the 19th century because of their over assertiveness as a religion. It's really human nature to take what we want and justify it. |
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There is a little book by an Egyptian tv personality / islamic scholar named Mustafa Mahmoud. In it he says that it's justified to beat your wife, as the Koran suggests, because science has established that there are two types of women. The masochist and the sadist. The masochist wants it and the sadist needs it.
There is certainly a difference between individual abuse and a system that encourages abuse. Though Islamic conservatives and liberals (what passes for them) have different views about what the physical correction amounts to. |
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| simon_says wrote: | | There is certainly a difference between individual abuse and a system that encourages abuse. |
Indeed. Abuse is definitely not encouraged or sanctioned by major religions, popular culture or the state in Western society as it is in Islamic states. |
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| AspieRogue wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Islam is a violent religion |
That's certainly true. It's also a very rational religion. |
Rational religion is almost an oxymoron, especially in regards to Islam.
| AspieRogue wrote: | | Quote: | | with submission as one of its core values. |
That's where you're wrong. Islam is about dominance; which is why it glorifies violence. Christianity however, is very much about being submissive. This is why it was introduced to the third world(especially subsaharan Africa)as way of duping the natives into not resisting foreign(white) domination. It's still used this way in american society.
The reason for the rapid growth of Islam is that it is viewed by people in 3rd world countries as militant opposition to western imperialism. |
Submission to the will of God and dominance of those who oppose him
The rapid growth of Islam can be explained by their wars of conquest long ago. As well as a high birth rate. Islam is imperialist, has been in the past, and is still imperialistic.
| Quote: | | Islamic theology says that all of God's messengers preached the message of Islam—submission to the Will of God |
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| AspieRogue wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: |
The rapid growth of Islam can be explained by their wars of conquest long ago. As well as a high birth rate. |
Actually, there have been large numbers of people in part of the less developed world, AND here in the west, who have voluntarily converted to Islam as opposed to being conquered and subjugated. The political alliance between Islam and the western far left exists for a reason. |
Political alliance between Islam. And the western far left.
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secular atheist muslims!!!!
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Political alliance between Islam. And the western far left. |
Shouldn't that be hardline Islam and a large section of deranged far-left loons? |
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| Christiantiy has a violtent history as well judaism uthe difference is you will not see christians going around making women dress up and hide their face nor will you see jews killing people over cartoons or either commiting sucide bombing Islam needs to change the way their ways and stop living like its still bible times. |
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hyperlexian
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| Posted: Tue Mar 20, 2012 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Tequila wrote: | | simon_says wrote: | | There is certainly a difference between individual abuse and a system that encourages abuse. |
Indeed. Abuse is definitely not encouraged or sanctioned by major religions, popular culture or the state in Western society as it is in Islamic states. |
no, whether it is sanctioned is frankly irrelevant if the results are the same.
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