abacacus
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| snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby.
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| snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
Lets rephrase this for you so you can see how silly this statement is:
| snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some people who don't collect stamps claim that their lack of a hobby isn't a hobby. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a hobby is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
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snapcap
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| abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. |
Why is that so? Belief is about someone's position. |
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| snapcap wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. |
Why is that so? Belief is about someone's position. |
wait... what?
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abacacus
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| snapcap wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. |
Why is that so? Belief is about someone's position. |
...huh? Atheism is the lack of belief in deities.
LACK OF belief.
Like I said before, if Atheism is a belief, then not collecting stamps is a hobby, or being unemployed is a job.
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| Atheism is artificial sweetener for those that can't handle real gospel sugar... |
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| abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. |
to be fair, people that don't collect stamps don't organize and hold rallies about about not collecting stamps |
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| abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. |
Why is that so? Belief is about someone's position. |
...huh? Atheism is the lack of belief in deities.
LACK OF belief.
Like I said before, if Atheism is a belief, then not collecting stamps is a hobby, or being unemployed is a job. |
I don't' think it's possible to have a lack of belief once you've been exposed to the idea to consider. If you define atheism as the lack of belief in God, then babies could be called atheists, but people that are grown up are certainly not in the same situation a newborn baby. |
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abacacus
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Jacoby wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. |
to be fair, people that don't collect stamps don't organize and hold rallies about about not collecting stamps |
Because people who do collect stamps aren't running around trying to pass laws and get current laws changed in the name of collecting stamps.
Quite simple, really.
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| Jacoby wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: | | I don't understand why some atheists claim that their disbelief isn't a belief. It seems to me that the only reason you could lack a belief is if you weren't exposed to the notion in the first place. |
If Atheism is a belief then not collecting stamps is a hobby. |
to be fair, people that don't collect stamps don't organize and hold rallies about about not collecting stamps |
I don't think that is a good analogy at all. |
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abacacus
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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| snapcap wrote: |
I don't' think it's possible to have a lack of belief once you've been exposed to the idea to consider. If you define atheism as the lack of belief in God, then babies could be called atheists, but people that are grown up are certainly not in the same situation a newborn baby. |
What? You are quite out there man.
It is very possible to lack belief in something you've been exposed too. I've been exposed to ideas ranging from your invisible zombie in the sky to ghosts and ancient curses. I don't believe in almost any of them.
Let me put it this way, if I expose you to the idea that I am your god, is it impossible for you to not believe I am your god? Of course not, that would be silly.
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| shrox wrote: | | Atheism is artificial sweetener for those that can't handle real gospel sugar... |
so is it the priest or god that is your sugar daddy?
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| Posted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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| abacacus wrote: | | snapcap wrote: |
I don't' think it's possible to have a lack of belief once you've been exposed to the idea to consider. If you define atheism as the lack of belief in God, then babies could be called atheists, but people that are grown up are certainly not in the same situation a newborn baby. |
What? You are quite out there man.
It is very possible to lack belief in something you've been exposed too. I've been exposed to ideas ranging from your invisible zombie in the sky to ghosts and ancient curses. I don't believe in almost any of them. |
You have at least affirmed the notion, and you have made a decision where to stand on their possibility, it's not a non-position.
| Quote: | | Let me put it this way, if I expose you to the idea that I am your god, is it impossible for you to not believe I am your god? Of course not, that would be silly. |
I don't believe you are God. But to say that I lack a belief totally isn't correct, and it's presumptuous. |
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| Oodain wrote: | | shrox wrote: | | Atheism is artificial sweetener for those that can't handle real gospel sugar... |
so is it the priest or god that is your sugar daddy? |
If he was catholic it would be a preist but since he is not its God and if atheism isnt a belieif why do they so strongly follow it and it not be considered a belief? |
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abacacus
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You do lack belief though.
The idea is "I am your god."
Your response was "I don't believe you're god."
"...don't believe..."
"...DON'T BELIEVE..."
See? You even said it right there. You lack belief in the idea that I am your god.
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