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18 Apr 2012, 12:31 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:

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Where would you put all of the religious?

Extermination camps.

Apparently anti-religion is your religion.

Shame on you. Why would you harm Amish folk. They are quiet, peaceable, law abiding and generally harmless to the populations in which they live.

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The Amish are an example of why one can't really go against *every* religion. I've met several Amish families, and they've all been wonderful people. I don't think any one whose met them could say any wrongs about them.

Well, aside from the systemic abuse and brain-washing of their children, but that's less a symptom of them being Amish and more a symptom of communities nestled away in rural areas on general.

As you say, that's more them being an isolated and somewhat closed community than them being Amish.

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18 Apr 2012, 3:23 pm

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America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.

The founding fathers were deists, not Christians. A deist believes in a God, but not in religion.

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18 Apr 2012, 3:42 pm

mikecartwright wrote:

A question for Atheists would you ban or outlaw Religion if you could ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

No. What other people choose to believe is their own business, unless & until they try to force it upon others. With that in mind, I have no more reluctance to criticise a religious belief that is presented than I do any other unsupported or questionable belief. I won't go out of my way to do it, but if someone opens the door on their own by presenting a belief, I'll stroll through without reservation.

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18 Apr 2012, 3:48 pm

Absolutely not. ALL people have a right to their beliefs, so long as those beliefs don't harm others. Yes, an absolute separation of church and state would be ideal...but BANNING religion? I'm appalled by anyone who complains about the religious right but who would behave the same way by excluding those who don't share their beliefs, or lack thereof.

For the record, I'm not an atheist, but I don't subscribe to organized religion.

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18 Apr 2012, 3:55 pm

Lord_Gareth wrote:

Well, aside from the systemic abuse and brain-washing of their children, but that's less a symptom of them being Amish and more a symptom of communities nestled away in rural areas on general.

You are in no position to tell others how to bring up their children.

You bring up yours, your way and others will bring of theirs, their way.

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18 Apr 2012, 3:57 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Well, aside from the systemic abuse and brain-washing of their children, but that's less a symptom of them being Amish and more a symptom of communities nestled away in rural areas on general.

You are in no position to tell others how to bring up their children.

You bring up yours, your way and others will bring of theirs, their way.

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Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings?

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18 Apr 2012, 3:59 pm

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Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings?

Physical abuse is one thing. Taking the kids to church is another.

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18 Apr 2012, 4:10 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings?

Physical abuse is one thing. Taking the kids to church is another.

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yet we can all agree there exists psychological abuse as well.

should we ignore that?
this can be taken to the extremes and that is beyond doubt (serial killer frightening his children into submission) but the debate is equally valid in the greyer areas, not easy bt it is there.

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18 Apr 2012, 4:12 pm

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yet we can all agree there exists psychological abuse as well.

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And just who is in the position to define abuse which is not physical. Some shrink, who confuses his opinions with facts?

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18 Apr 2012, 4:54 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings?

Physical abuse is one thing. Taking the kids to church is another.

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And sheltering your kids from everything that disagrees with your religion is another. Up till a certain age, Amish children learn nothing but what their parents think is good for them, which can be a terrible thing.

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18 Apr 2012, 5:12 pm

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America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.

The founding fathers were deists, not Christians. A deist believes in a God, but not in religion.

That's not entirely true. While many of their personal beliefs differed from actual church teachings, almost all of them were still officially affiliated with a Christian denomination, the only real exceptions being Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson; the latter still referred to himself as a "christian".

Sorry if this was out of place at all.

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18 Apr 2012, 5:34 pm

All agreed, however, that religion and the state should be separate.

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18 Apr 2012, 5:44 pm

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All agreed, however, that religion and the state should be separate.

Yes it should be a country is more dangerous if a religious doctirne of any kind is the nations law.

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18 Apr 2012, 5:49 pm

fragileclover wrote:

mikecartwright wrote:

America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America.

The founding fathers were deists, not Christians. A deist believes in a God, but not in religion.

Very true... now we have religion hijacking our country... they are all terrorists in my opinion.

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18 Apr 2012, 5:50 pm

Terlingua wrote:

mikecartwright wrote:

A question for Atheists would you ban or outlaw Religion if you could ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_atheism

You need to read my other posts.

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18 Apr 2012, 6:00 pm

ruveyn wrote:

abacacus wrote:

Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings?

Physical abuse is one thing. Taking the kids to church is another.

ruveyn

Physical abuse... Existential abuse... two sides of the same coin.

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