abacacus
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| Lord_Gareth wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | ruveyn wrote: | | blunnet wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | Where would you put all of the religious? |
Extermination camps. |
Apparently anti-religion is your religion.
Shame on you. Why would you harm Amish folk. They are quiet, peaceable, law abiding and generally harmless to the populations in which they live.
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The Amish are an example of why one can't really go against *every* religion. I've met several Amish families, and they've all been wonderful people. I don't think any one whose met them could say any wrongs about them. |
Well, aside from the systemic abuse and brain-washing of their children, but that's less a symptom of them being Amish and more a symptom of communities nestled away in rural areas on general. |
As you say, that's more them being an isolated and somewhat closed community than them being Amish.
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| mikecartwright wrote: | | America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America. |
The founding fathers were deists, not Christians. A deist believes in a God, but not in religion.
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: A question for Atheists would you ban or outlaw Religion |
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No. What other people choose to believe is their own business, unless & until they try to force it upon others. With that in mind, I have no more reluctance to criticise a religious belief that is presented than I do any other unsupported or questionable belief. I won't go out of my way to do it, but if someone opens the door on their own by presenting a belief, I'll stroll through without reservation. |
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Absolutely not. ALL people have a right to their beliefs, so long as those beliefs don't harm others. Yes, an absolute separation of church and state would be ideal...but BANNING religion? I'm appalled by anyone who complains about the religious right but who would behave the same way by excluding those who don't share their beliefs, or lack thereof.
For the record, I'm not an atheist, but I don't subscribe to organized religion.
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| Lord_Gareth wrote: |
Well, aside from the systemic abuse and brain-washing of their children, but that's less a symptom of them being Amish and more a symptom of communities nestled away in rural areas on general. |
You are in no position to tell others how to bring up their children.
You bring up yours, your way and others will bring of theirs, their way.
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abacacus
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| ruveyn wrote: | | Lord_Gareth wrote: |
Well, aside from the systemic abuse and brain-washing of their children, but that's less a symptom of them being Amish and more a symptom of communities nestled away in rural areas on general. |
You are in no position to tell others how to bring up their children.
You bring up yours, your way and others will bring of theirs, their way.
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Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings?
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| abacacus wrote: |
Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings? |
Physical abuse is one thing. Taking the kids to church is another.
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| ruveyn wrote: | | abacacus wrote: |
Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings? |
Physical abuse is one thing. Taking the kids to church is another.
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yet we can all agree there exists psychological abuse as well.
should we ignore that?
this can be taken to the extremes and that is beyond doubt (serial killer frightening his children into submission) but the debate is equally valid in the greyer areas, not easy bt it is there.
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| Oodain wrote: |
yet we can all agree there exists psychological abuse as well.
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And just who is in the position to define abuse which is not physical. Some shrink, who confuses his opinions with facts?
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abacacus
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| ruveyn wrote: | | abacacus wrote: |
Do you say the same of people who bring up their children with frequent beatings? |
Physical abuse is one thing. Taking the kids to church is another.
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And sheltering your kids from everything that disagrees with your religion is another. Up till a certain age, Amish children learn nothing but what their parents think is good for them, which can be a terrible thing.
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| fragileclover wrote: | | mikecartwright wrote: | | America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America. |
The founding fathers were deists, not Christians. A deist believes in a God, but not in religion. |
That's not entirely true. While many of their personal beliefs differed from actual church teachings, almost all of them were still officially affiliated with a Christian denomination, the only real exceptions being Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson; the latter still referred to himself as a "christian".
Sorry if this was out of place at all.
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All agreed, however, that religion and the state should be separate.
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| abacacus wrote: | | All agreed, however, that religion and the state should be separate. |
Yes it should be a country is more dangerous if a religious doctirne of any kind is the nations law. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriag |
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| fragileclover wrote: | | mikecartwright wrote: | | America was founded on Christianity therefor Gay Marriage should be illegal in America. |
The founding fathers were deists, not Christians. A deist believes in a God, but not in religion. |
Very true... now we have religion hijacking our country... they are all terrorists in my opinion. |
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| Posted: Wed Apr 18, 2012 6:50 pm Post subject: Re: A question for Atheists would you ban or outlaw Religion |
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| Terlingua wrote: |
No. What other people choose to believe is their own business, unless & until they try to force it upon others. With that in mind, I have no more reluctance to criticise a religious belief that is presented than I do any other unsupported or questionable belief. I won't go out of my way to do it, but if someone opens the door on their own by presenting a belief, I'll stroll through without reservation. |
You need to read my other posts. |
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