marshall
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| Dox47 wrote: | | marshall wrote: | | It's messed up that an obviously unstable person was allowed to go around with a gun looking for trouble. |
That's 20/20 hindsight; there wasn't really anything in his record to suggest anything but a nosy busybody who went through a nasty breakup. Since he didn't have any felonies or a psychological commitment or anything, there was nothing in his record to disqualify him from buying a gun or getting a CCW, which is pretty standard across the country. |
Well being a nosy busybody who pursues "suspicious" looking people with a firearm is a hazard. It's obnoxious and provocative behavior and should be illegal. Some power-hungry douchebag with a CCW but no badge should not be allowed appoint himself with the role of citizen cop. It's bad enough that real cops with professional training abuse their power by harassing innocent people. Why do we need self-appointed jackasses doing the same or worse with no badge and no training? I have no problem with people owning or carrying guns. I have a problem with people who think they have the right to go going around with a gun intimidating people. Doing so should at the very least nullify any legal presumption of "self-defence". |
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simon_says
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Not much interested in his political views but I believe he's the man to see if you want to know the composition of a Panzer corp, by year and front. |
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Master_Pedant
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| Dox47 wrote: | | marshall wrote: | | It's messed up that an obviously unstable person was allowed to go around with a gun looking for trouble. |
That's 20/20 hindsight; there wasn't really anything in his record to suggest anything but a nosy busybody who went through a nasty breakup. Since he didn't have any felonies or a psychological commitment or anything, there was nothing in his record to disqualify him from buying a gun or getting a CCW, which is pretty standard across the country. |
Zimmerman has more than allegations of domestic violence (that may or may not be accurate). There's also a history of resisting officers - despite his self-appointed position of Judge Dredd.
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/11808013-george-zimmermans-criminal-records-revealed
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Jacoby
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That's not much of a record. What about that should of disqualified him from owning a gun or CCW? I would hardly call that a history violence or criminality.
Same thing with people bringing up Trayvon's suspensions in high school. Pretty run of the mill stuff. I got suspended from school a bunch of times.
Neither of these guys are Tim Tebow but I sure as heck hope that's not the standard for being a good person. |
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aghogday
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| Jacoby wrote: | That's not much of a record. What about that should of disqualified him from owning a gun or CCW? I would hardly call that a history violence or criminality.
Same thing with people bringing up Trayvon's suspensions in high school. Pretty run of the mill stuff. I got suspended from school a bunch of times.
Neither of these guys are Tim Tebow but I sure as heck hope that's not the standard for being a good person. |
Maybe it shouldn't disqualify him from owning a gun, but on the other hand being convicted on a felony charge of assault on a police officer seems like it would disqualify him from a CCW, but my understanding is the charges were reduced and he avoided prosecution, on the basis of completing a program for alcohol abuse, along with the fact that it was his first offense. That may not be too uncommon, although some have suggested the potential of family influence.
That was seven years ago, but I'm not so sure that assault on a police officer isn't a fairly good indication that bad things may yet come. Considering that felons lose their right to vote, perhaps assault on a police officer should be reason enough for one to lose their priviledge for a CCW even if the charges are reduced and a completion of an alcohol program avoids criminal prosecution.
Considering there was no prosecution and the charges were lowered, I'm not sure how such a restriction could be enforced though. |
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Jacoby
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| Being charged with a felony is not the same as being convicted of a felony. Police and prosecutors charge people with felonies when they're misdemeanors as a way of avoiding trial and forcing a plea deal. If he were actually convicted of a felony he would not of been able to have a CCW license or even own a gun AFAIK. |
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simon_says
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Many people find a way to plead down felonies. Some of them deserve felonies but they get lucky. There is a also a report that he had a restraining order against him. It wasnt current but that he had one at one time is another red flag. In the Virginia Tech case the shooter had not been committed but his University had kicked him out due to his apparent psychological problems. That might have been useful information for the state.
This is kind of a gray area. On one hand you could say that red flags like this arent definitive or proof of anything. On the one hand you could arge that all of this stuff could go into a file. If you have enough red flags maybe they'll require a psych evaluation before purchasing a weapon. I wouldnt support it for just one but if you have enough red flags like this, something is probably wrong with you.
And of course whatever system you put in place, anyone can just buy a gun privately with no checks in the current system. |
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Jacoby
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| His ex-fiance took out a restraining order alleging domestic abuse and he also took a restraining order out against her for alleged domestic abuse. Key word here being alleged. Both were granted. Just seems like a nasty break up of a dysfunctional relationship. There is no way the state could hold that against him and stop from acquiring a CCW license. |
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Joker
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Raptor
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I'll make a donation in YOU'RE name since you posted the link. |
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Oodain
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| Jacoby wrote: | | Being charged with a felony is not the same as being convicted of a felony. Police and prosecutors charge people with felonies when they're misdemeanors as a way of avoiding trial and forcing a plea deal. If he were actually convicted of a felony he would not of been able to have a CCW license or even own a gun AFAIK. |
that in itself is disgusting beyond belief.
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ArrantPariah
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I'll make a donation in YOU'RE name since you posted the link. |
Thank you, Mr. Vice Troll. 
By the way, that should have been "your" rather than "you're." "Your" is the possessive form. "You're" is a contraction of "you are."  |
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Raptor
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Raptor wrote: |
I'll make a donation in YOU'RE name since you posted the link. |
Thank you, Mr. Vice Troll.
By the way, that should have been "your" rather than "you're." "Your" is the possessive form. "You're" is a contraction of "you are." |
Trying out for spelling nazi?
That "you're" thing was my iPhone which auto- corrects even when it's wrong. |
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ArrantPariah
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| Raptor wrote: |
Trying out for spelling nazi?
That "you're" thing was my iPhone which auto- corrects even when it's wrong. |
Ooohhh. Are you comparing me to Hitler? You're (you are) way out of line. |
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