aspiebeauty87
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This is just sad... poor girl i feel like the world isn't fair to us but what could we do? Nobody wants to listen to a bunch of aspies they just don't care.
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MikaelL
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: wow |
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| aspiebeauty87 wrote: | | This is just sad... poor girl i feel like the world isn't fair to us but what could we do? Nobody wants to listen to a bunch of aspies they just don't care. |
But if we are a BIG bunch that keep telling newpapers and tv channels about this, who knows? Someone might listen! |
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webcam
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:21 pm Post subject: |
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| DIProgan wrote: | | Sure you could consider if her actions could be missinterpreted but his actions sure as hell cannot. He threatens her with becoming violent if she tries to get away. Anyone failing to see that his intent is to scare her into a submissive state so he can rape her is blind or stupid and probably both. |
Ok, didn't read that part, he definitely raped her then. |
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MrXxx
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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| psychegots wrote: | | MrXxx wrote: | There is more to this story. Bloggers often tend to put only their own take on a situation into their postings, so I dug a little deeper.
http://www.fark.com/cgi/go.pl?i=7012089&s=1
There doesn't seem to be a whole not more in depth information about this case that's very easy to find on the web. Not yet anyway. |
Whaat? That is not the same case?! |
 You're right of course. So similar, but now that I looked closer at the details... 
It does give one pause though, doesn't it? That there are that many of them, just in Sweden alone that it's easy (at least for me) to confuse some of them.
That alone says something, and I don't think it's good.
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aghogday
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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Sweden has one of the highest per capita rates of Rape of any country in the world. It's been blamed by some on immigration; the previous fark.com link seems to be a satire of the issue.
I've never heard that Sweden is a bad place for Aspies, in fact there was a thread recently on Reddit that suggested it was the best place in Europe for Aspies, per opinion.
This appears to be a controversial issue, but part of the reason the discussion may have come to light, in the article, is because of the support of rights of individuals with Aspergers in Sweden.
Difficulties in non-verbal communication were mentioned, but the other evidence doesn't appear to be an Asperger specific issue.
If an incident like this had happened in the US, we might not have even heard about it, unless it was actually reported to someone concerned with the rights of individuals with Aspergers. She might have been just another statistic. |
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MikaelL
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MrXxx
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| Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2012 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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Did someone say it was a parody? I don't think so. It's just a different case. I posted it thinking it was the same one.
What's relevant is that while looking for more links related to the case you first brought up in your OP, I bumped into quite a few, all from Sweden, very similar. Most about supposedly sleeping men having sex with sleeping women, but some others more similar to what you're talking about.
What's relevant is that so many of them clearly point to a lackadaisical attitude toward rape in general in the Swedish judicial system, especially if the woman is disabled or incapacitated.
It seems the problem is much bigger than just viewing it okay to rape Autistic women. It looks to me as if they look for any excuse at all for rape of any woman, for whatever ridiculous reason they can come up with.
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aghogday
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 3:27 am Post subject: |
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Here is the link on the Fark.com site I was referring to:
http://www.fark.com/comments/7012089
The link was at the top of the page, of the site with the text of the serious article.
It has a caption beside it that says "unlikely", and is titled "Apparently it's so easy to rape a women in Sweden that you can do it in your sleep".
It appears that it is a link to a satirical/joke commentary, on the general problem with rape in Sweden, specific to the article on the page that is serious.
The rape problem in Sweden is a highly publicized issue; the commentary is from Sweden, so I suspect that is a relevant issue to the commentary, that is not explicitly stated.
Relevant to the topic at hand, because there are problems with rape in Sweden beyond the issue of Aspergers.
The immigration issue appears to be the most often discussed issue in regard to rape in Sweden, but I've seen that argument refuted, by statistical evidence.
This topic, with articles related to rape and the girl diagnosed as having Aspergers and the sleep justification for rape, is the first evidence that I have seen that the judicial system in Sweden may not provide appropriate support for the rights of rape victims, in general.
I did a quick search and found very recent research that shows that rape acquittals in Sweden have increased from 22 percent in 2006 to 33 percent in 2010. According to the research, recent rulings in the Swedish Supreme Court have set a precedent that there is now a standard for supporting evidence in lower court rulings.
This, research, in part, may explain why the rape case for the young girl with aspergers was successfully appealed. The supporting evidence as indicated in the topic article was found to be insufficient in the appeal. The precedent for that ruling was already set by previous Supreme Court decisions.
The research provides evidence that part of the problem in Sweden with rape, may be associated with the way the Judicial system works there.
http://www.thelocal.se/39886/20120326/
| Quote: | A recent master's dissertation in law found that the percentage of rape cases that are acquitted by district courts in Sweden has increased from 22 percent in 2006 to 33 percent in 2010.
"That a very high percentage of acquittals, the highest among all crimes in the criminal code," Katrin Lainpelto, a doctor of procedural law at Stockholm University who reviewed the dissertation author Lina Tengvar, told the TT news agency.
Their explanation for the dramatic increase in acquittals comes from four precedent-setting rulings by the Swedish Supreme Court (Högsta domstolen) which occurred in 2005, 2009, and 2010.
Sweden's lower courts have interpreted these rulings to mean there is now a general standard for supporting evidence required for a conviction in rape cases, according to Lainpelto.
"I question whether the Supreme Court really has a mandate to go out and limit the free review of evidence. Judges may take it to mean they can no longer make their own assessments of the evidence based on their own beliefs" she said.
Rape convictions are already rare in Sweden. In 2010, there were 4,134 rapes reported to police, but only 313 resulted in indictments that were brought to trial, and of that figure, 33 percent were acquitted.
In comparison, other crimes in Sweden have an acquittal rate of only 5 percent, according to the country's chief prosecutor. |
Those are amazing statistics: 4134 rapes reported, 313 indictments brought to trial, a 33 percent acquittal rate, and 206 convictions that stand.
So per data from 2010, for every 100 rapes reported in Sweden, only 5 result in convictions. |
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MissConstrue
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Wow that's effed up. Still I often wonder how many cases similar to this go unreported in this country.
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:25 am Post subject: |
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| aghogday wrote: | | "Apparently it's so easy to rape a women in Sweden that you can do it in your sleep". |
I thought this may be of interest in that it's first case of a "sleepwalking" defence being successfully challenged in a British court:
| bbc.co.uk wrote: | Zack Thompson 'sleepwalking' claim rapist is jailed
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-17548443)
A Nottinghamshire man who said he may have been sleepwalking when he raped a teenager has been jailed for six years.
Zack Thompson, 20, of Lincoln Street, Newark, attacked the girl, now aged 19, on holiday in Portugal, in 2009.
He pleaded guilty at Nottingham Crown Court, but maintained the sleepwalking defence for more than two years.
Police said it was thought to be the first UK case in which such a defence had been successfully challenged in relation to a sexual offence. |
Obviously the police and others have cottoned on to defendants trying to use this as an excuse to avoid being punished for their crime.
He won't serve six years, though, oh no. I bet he'll be out in four. |
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vermontsavant
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2012 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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I guess this gives a new meaning to the concept of the vikings rapeing piliaging and plundering
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