Eloa
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Today I talked with my psychologist about the DSMV.
She does not like it, because it will exclude people from getting help who really need help.
I asked her, if I would get re-assessed and she said I fit the criteria for autism in the new DSMV and she would not even need to do an assessment again (she is a clinical psychologist specialized in autism and extra qualified to do assessments for any disorder).
I wonder when I read here, that the spectrum of Bipolar Disorder is getting broader and the one for ASD more "narrow", is it because with Bipolar Disorder pharmaceutical concerns can earn money with prescription drugs and enlarging the spectrum contributes to it and with autism, as there is no remedy, but people need actually support, the spectrum gets more narrow?
Or am I just being distrusting?
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| Eloa wrote: | Today I talked with my psychologist about the DSMV.
She does not like it, because it will exclude people from getting help who really need help.
I asked her, if I would get re-assessed and she said I fit the criteria for autism in the new DSMV and she would not even need to do an assessment again (she is a clinical psychologist specialized in autism and extra qualified to do assessments for any disorder).
I wonder when I read here, that the spectrum of Bipolar Disorder is getting broader and the one for ASD more "narrow", is it because with Bipolar Disorder pharmaceutical concerns can earn money with prescription drugs and enlarging the spectrum contributes to it and with autism, as there is no remedy, but people need actually support, the spectrum gets more narrow?
Or am I just being distrusting? |
I think you're right. The DSM pathologises a lot of human behviour that is actually just normal and this is done so that drugs companies can market their products for all these new conditions as an alternatvie to developing new products. Create a load of new conditions that always need medicating and you've opened up a whole new market for your drug.
In my opinion one of the main reasons they're dispensing with the Asperger's Syndrome diagnosis in DSM-V is because they don't know what to do with us - we are very therapy-resistant in my opinion as we are usually more intelligent than the therapist and they can't make a profit out of us via by selling a specific medication to 'cure' us. Drugs don't work, as you say - we need support and understanding which they can't make a profit out of - hence we are of no interest to them as we need money spending on us for services so we are too much of a financial burden to society. It's a joke that having carved out Aspergers from Autism they now want to forget it even existed - it says it all about what the DSM is really all about ie MONEY!
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| They're dispensing with AS to fold the diagnosis into ASD. It has nothing to do with therapy or how smart we may be relative to therapists. |
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| nessa238 wrote: | | It's a joke that having carved out Aspergers from Autism they now want to forget it even existed - it says it all about what the DSM is really all about ie MONEY! |
Actually DSMV is about correcting a past error driven by Lorna Wing that Aspergers was a special diagnosis and perpetuated by DSMIV in the 1990s. It still doesn't change who you are. People diagnosed with Aspergers in the past will be classified on the top scale of the ASD spectrum. Get used to it.
In polite conversation and in cyberspace I'm sure the label will continue to be used. As one WP poster amusingly put it, if you tell people you have Aspergers, at worst they think you are a little eccentric, if you say you have autism they automatically assume you are "retarded".
The issue in DSMV is not about the perception of other people, its really about self concept in people currently walking around with an Apsergers label. In psychology there is body dissatisfaction, appearance dissatisfaction and now you have a new term...social labelling dissatisfaction. |
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I am quite confused on this. I've heard bits and pieces, but I do not understand. Has someone already posted what the new criteria is?
Here is what Wikipedia says: | Quote: | The next (fifth) edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM), DSM-5, is currently in consultation, planning and preparation. It is due for publication in May 2013.[1] APA has a website about the development, including draft versions. APA.org is periodically listing several sections of DSM-V for review and discussion.[71] It includes several changes, including proposed deletion of the subtypes of schizophrenia.[72]
Former DSM psychiatrist Allen Frances has expressed concern regarding what he calls 'commercialism and heavy handed censorship' in the DSM-V process. He argues that psychiatric classification is too important to be left under the exclusive control of one professional organization.[73] Frances and others have published debates on what they see as the six most essential questions in psychiatric diagnosis - are they more like theoretical constructs or more like diseases; how to reach an agreed definition; whether the DSM-V should take a cautious or conservative approach; the role of practical rather than scientific considerations; the issue of use by clinicians or researchers; and whether an entirely different diagnostic system is required.[74]
In 2011, psychologist Brent Robbins co-authored a national letter for the Society for Humanistic Psychology that has brought thousands into the public debate about the DSM. Approximately 8,000 individuals and mental health professionals have signed a petition in support of the letter. Thirteen other American Psychological Association divisions have endorsed the petition.[75] In a recent article about the debate in the San Francisco Chronicle, Robbins notes that under the new guidelines, certain responses to grief could be labeled as pathological disorders, instead of being recognized as being normal human experiences.[76] |
So lots of people are being screwed over.
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Thank you Cyberdad. I wish there was a way to sticky this. I keep hearing people talking about this, and different sources are saying different things, so this is very helpful. |
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Okay, so it seems to be truly on the Autism spectrum you must meet the new criteria in sections A, B, and C, and D. it does not say how much of it must be met. D has only one criteria, so I'm assuming that means that if you don't meet that you are not on the spectrum.
I meet Section A, parts 2 and 3, unsure about part 1 now, but in the past yes.
I meet section B parts 2, 3, and 4, not sure about 1.
I meet section C.
I meet section D, although like with everyone day to day living and who I am changes daily.
I wonder what this means for me? I hope that these changes will not stop people from getting the help or benefits they need. |
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So what criteria separates language imapired ASD from SCD? they seem awfully close?? |
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| cyberdad wrote: |
So what criteria separates language imapired ASD from SCD? they seem awfully close?? |
I think mainly that part B of the ASD criteria (restricted, repetitive patterns of behavior/activities/interests) is not part of the SCD criteria.
So if you meet criteria A of ASD, but you don't have at least 2 items from criteria B, then you'd probably fall under SCD instead. |
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I feel like they are making new disorders, and discounting the old ones. I sincerely hope those who DX follow the old guidelines. It sounds like this whole social communication disorder is just another part of having an ASD.
and for that matter, are they still changing the name of Asperger's to Autism spectrum disorder/ incasing the whole of the spectrum under that title? Now that I understnd whats going on, I'm even more displeased. |
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| ShadesOfMe wrote: |
I feel like they are making new disorders, and discounting the old ones. I sincerely hope those who DX follow the old guidelines. It sounds like this whole social communication disorder is just another part of having an ASD.
and for that matter, are they still changing the name of Asperger's to Autism spectrum disorder/ incasing the whole of the spectrum under that title? Now that I understnd whats going on, I'm even more displeased. |
Clinicians will have to follow the new guidelines. And yes, "Asperger's" will no longer exist as a diagnosis. But I expect the term will continue to be used for a long time, just like we still use the term "ADD" (which was removed in the DSM-IV.) |
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| scubasteve wrote: | | ShadesOfMe wrote: |
I feel like they are making new disorders, and discounting the old ones. I sincerely hope those who DX follow the old guidelines. It sounds like this whole social communication disorder is just another part of having an ASD.
and for that matter, are they still changing the name of Asperger's to Autism spectrum disorder/ incasing the whole of the spectrum under that title? Now that I understnd whats going on, I'm even more displeased. |
Clinicians will have to follow the new guidelines. And yes, "Asperger's" will no longer exist as a diagnosis. But I expect the term will continue to be used for a long time, just like we still use the term "ADD" (which was removed in the DSM-IV.) |
How did they decide to make these changes to begin with? What were the deciding factors? |
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| ShadesOfMe wrote: | | scubasteve wrote: | | ShadesOfMe wrote: |
I feel like they are making new disorders, and discounting the old ones. I sincerely hope those who DX follow the old guidelines. It sounds like this whole social communication disorder is just another part of having an ASD.
and for that matter, are they still changing the name of Asperger's to Autism spectrum disorder/ incasing the whole of the spectrum under that title? Now that I understnd whats going on, I'm even more displeased. |
Clinicians will have to follow the new guidelines. And yes, "Asperger's" will no longer exist as a diagnosis. But I expect the term will continue to be used for a long time, just like we still use the term "ADD" (which was removed in the DSM-IV.) |
How did they decide to make these changes to begin with? What were the deciding factors? |
I've been wondering that myself... There are plenty of theories, but nobody really seems to know for sure. |
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