I find this quite hyperbolic. The Swedish government doesn't persecute homeschoolers or kidnap children, it tries to make sure that every child gets a decent public school education and a healthy dose of reality. If parents try to deny their children their right to an education and have their children taken away as a result, they are the ones who are to blame.
Parents educating and preparing their own children. How bloody f**king unnatural can it get?
ruveyn
That's exactly the kind of hyperbole that I was talking about. Nobody forbids Swedish parents to educate their own children and pass their values on to them, as long as they also allow their kids to attend a public school with professional educators and a curriculum created by experts.
Btw, since you mentioned nature: The natural state is that children learn from a great number of adults. The nuclear family is a very recent invention. An environment where parents could theoretically keep their children in a basement, without allowing them any contact with the rest of society, is a very unnatural place. There need to be safeguards against people who would raise a child without sufficient social contact and reality experience, and compulsory school attendance is such a safeguard.
I find this quite hyperbolic. The Swedish government doesn't persecute homeschoolers or kidnap children, it tries to make sure that every child gets a decent public school education and a healthy dose of reality. If parents try to deny their children their right to an education and have their children taken away as a result, they are the ones who are to blame.
Parents educating and preparing their own children. How bloody f**king unnatural can it get?
ruveyn
Only problem is, people who are into the whole home schooling movement tend to be less than mainstream, to put it mildly. To put it less mildly, they're a bunch of f***ing loony tunes!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
So? Maybe we think you normal people are a bunch of f***ing loony tunes, too.
Homeschooling is sweet. I'm off to Randia, laterz.
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I find this quite hyperbolic. The Swedish government doesn't persecute homeschoolers or kidnap children, it tries to make sure that every child gets a decent public school education and a healthy dose of reality. If parents try to deny their children their right to an education and have their children taken away as a result, they are the ones who are to blame.
Parents educating and preparing their own children. How bloody f**king unnatural can it get?
ruveyn
Only problem is, people who are into the whole home schooling movement tend to be less than mainstream, to put it mildly. To put it less mildly, they're a bunch of f***ing loony tunes!
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
So? Maybe we think you normal people are a bunch of f***ing loony tunes, too.
Homeschooling is sweet. I'm off to Randia, laterz.
God forbid I'd be considered normal under any circumstances!
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:13 am Post subject:
Tequila wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Parents educating and preparing their own children. How bloody f**king unnatural can it get?
How very anti-libertarian of you.
I was home educated, by the way.
I should know better than to attempt sarcasm in an Aspie forum. Shame on me. My bad.
I home educated two of my children for a limited period of time, until I could find a decent school for them that I could afford.
The State has no business telling parents what that can or cannot teach to their own children. Children are the wards of their parents (or legal caregivers) and they are not wards of the State. Only in the extreme and rare case when there are no family members to care for a child should the State be in locus parentii.
The only thing the State should do is make sure that home-schooled children can read and write. Any more than that is pure mischief.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:17 am Post subject:
I admit I was presenting this thread in a very dramatic way, on purpose, as I want there to be heavy reactions to this clear violation of human rights, so some positive turn of events maybe will happen, with time, due to building pressure that eventually is put on the social services of Sweden (and especially of Gotland). I also agree with those who would say that Sweden is one of the best places in the world to live, or rather, one of the "best", as I would put it. There is so much room for improvement, like the abolishment of the 'Law of Jante' (Jantelagen), vastly improved social services, vastly improved psychiatry (mainly due to abuse from know-it-alls), less surveillance ("the FRA law"/FRA-lagen and Datalagringsdirektivet/DLD, etc.) and, of course, the correction of the ridiculously made child porn law that, de facto, makes large amounts of manga and anime illegal, that has so severely pissed me off, before. I am not a patriot, so I am very much ready to criticize this country, whenever it is needed - I am not concerned with that the image of Sweden isn't defiled - I am only concerned with helping to make things better, and in this case, hopefully helping these parents, and this boy, to get their lives back.
While I did present this thread in an extra dramatic way, it is not hyperbole. The social services in Sweden are known for doing things of this sort, every now and then, and continually almost never being prepared to admit that they've made a mistake - either due to pride, blaming it on problems with the system, or just repeatedly using the classic comment "I cannot comment on an individual case", or "Due to secrecy, I cannot comment on an individual case" - even when permission from the affected parties has been given to indeed comment on it. There are countless other cases, similar to this one; this case is just more extreme than the others.
...On a more positive note, I agree with Joker; there's lots of great Swedish candy. :3
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 6:26 am Post subject:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
That's exactly the kind of hyperbole that I was talking about. Nobody forbids Swedish parents to educate their own children and pass their values on to them, as long as they also allow their kids to attend a public school with professional educators and a curriculum created by experts.
It will never work in the United States. In the U.S. teacher for elementary grade public school are trained in so-called Teacher's Colleges. They are recruited from the bottom twenty five percent of the college educated population. In short, we turn our children over to the intellectual scum and dregs of our society. Is it any wonder that the U.S. trails every other industrial nation in the training of scientists, engineers and mathematicians? Maybe the Swedes are smarter and wiser than we in the U.S. are.
Unfortunately if kids are home schooled in the U.S., the people who will do it the most are the kind that believe the Earth is 6000 years old and that humans saddled and rode dinosaurs.
Elementary Level public schooling in the U.S. is by and large a disaster and an abomination.
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 9:34 am Post subject:
ruveyn wrote:
CrazyCatLord wrote:
That's exactly the kind of hyperbole that I was talking about. Nobody forbids Swedish parents to educate their own children and pass their values on to them, as long as they also allow their kids to attend a public school with professional educators and a curriculum created by experts.
It will never work in the United States. In the U.S. teacher for elementary grade public school are trained in so-called Teacher's Colleges. They are recruited from the bottom twenty five percent of the college educated population. In short, we turn our children over to the intellectual scum and dregs of our society. Is it any wonder that the U.S. trails every other industrial nation in the training of scientists, engineers and mathematicians? Maybe the Swedes are smarter and wiser than we in the U.S. are.
Unfortunately if kids are home schooled in the U.S., the people who will do it the most are the kind that believe the Earth is 6000 years old and that humans saddled and rode dinosaurs.
Elementary Level public schooling in the U.S. is by and large a disaster and an abomination.
ruveyn
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