techstepgenr8tion
that chatty American
Joined: Feb 07, 2005
Posts: 14833
Location: A beautiful vector among many
|
 Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Sweetleaf wrote: | | techstepgenr8tion wrote: | | Sometimes people can pound on a person until there's no life left worth living - particularly when every advantage is being stolen and you can tell they'll never be able to make it financially. I agree, better dead than miserable but it goes to show - this world has a lot of people who need a good old fashion chin-checking. |
 wow I hope that isen't a common justification for such behavior. |
Lets go back to square one. The people who were messing with him need a chin-checking. |
|
| Back to top |
|
hanyo
Phoenix
Joined: Oct 01, 2011
Posts: 3453
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:40 pm Post subject: |
|
|
"She told the coroner she believed he had taken literally a comment made to him by the link-worker that "he'd be better off dead than in college education"."
It's bad enough that some cruel immature kids bullied him, that part is even more appalling. That person should at the very least lose their job.
I felt bad enough when the school counselor told me that it was my fault that people were mean to me because of the way I acted. I can't even imagine how I would have felt if they told me I should be dead. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Sweetleaf
Metalhead
Joined: Jan 07, 2011
Age: 23
Posts: 14828
Location: Somewhere in Colorado
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 12:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| techstepgenr8tion wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: | | techstepgenr8tion wrote: | | Sometimes people can pound on a person until there's no life left worth living - particularly when every advantage is being stolen and you can tell they'll never be able to make it financially. I agree, better dead than miserable but it goes to show - this world has a lot of people who need a good old fashion chin-checking. |
wow I hope that isen't a common justification for such behavior. |
Lets go back to square one. The people who were messing with him need a chin-checking. |
I agree, but still that is a terrible excuse....so I hope that is not seriously the logic such people have, because that is very dangerous indeed.
_________________
It's like alice in wonderland except, my names not alice and this is the real world not a dream. |
|
| Back to top |
|
techstepgenr8tion
that chatty American
Joined: Feb 07, 2005
Posts: 14833
Location: A beautiful vector among many
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:03 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I'm sorry, but I'm really getting the impression that I have no idea what you're saying or where you're going with it. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Sweetleaf
Metalhead
Joined: Jan 07, 2011
Age: 23
Posts: 14828
Location: Somewhere in Colorado
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:28 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| techstepgenr8tion wrote: | | I'm sorry, but I'm really getting the impression that I have no idea what you're saying or where you're going with it. |
That I hope people don't seriously think it's ok to beat someone down, because they don't think that person will make it financially.....is what I was saying, in response to you bringing up that point since I think that would be a terrible justification for such behavior towards someone. I don't see what's not to get.
_________________
It's like alice in wonderland except, my names not alice and this is the real world not a dream. |
|
| Back to top |
|
techstepgenr8tion
that chatty American
Joined: Feb 07, 2005
Posts: 14833
Location: A beautiful vector among many
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 1:47 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| What I was getting at is that being pounded on, especially through your formative years, can steal every advantage, ruin you financially, and that I can't relate to people who would scorn a person's decision to commit suicide when things get that bad. Bullying can quite literally ruin lives, the "You did it to yourself" requires a frame of reference that takes a different life and completely different (often very sheltered) set of formative experiences as opposed to what a perpetual bullying victim has at their disposal. For as much as many people go on about empathy its tough to really get any impression that most people have any knack for imagining what living on a completely different path and completely different internal/existential reality would be like nor what it would mean. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Sweetleaf
Metalhead
Joined: Jan 07, 2011
Age: 23
Posts: 14828
Location: Somewhere in Colorado
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 2:01 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| techstepgenr8tion wrote: | | What I was getting at is that being pounded on, especially through your formative years, can steal every advantage, ruin you financially, and that I can't relate to people who would scorn a person's decision to commit suicide when things get that bad. Bullying can quite literally ruin lives, the "You did it to yourself" requires a frame of reference that takes a different life and completely different (often very sheltered) set of formative experiences as opposed to what a perpetual bullying victim has at their disposal. For as much as many people go on about empathy its tough to really get any impression that most people have any knack for imagining what living on a completely different path and completely different internal/existential reality would be like nor what it would mean. |
I think we are in agreement then.
_________________
It's like alice in wonderland except, my names not alice and this is the real world not a dream. |
|
| Back to top |
|
PastFixations
One who will open the door.
Joined: Sep 22, 2011
Posts: 2697
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Autistic Teenager Killed Himself |
|
|
| Sweetleaf wrote: |
As for the article I doubt him taking the comment about being better off dead than in college literally was the 'cause' I can see how that could have been a factor if he was already feeling that way, and in pain from all the bullying and such and took it literally, but to point to that as the cause and ignore the long-term bullying and harrasment would be ignorant in my perspective |
It is possible he could have taken it literally if he was gullable along with the students 'fueling the fire'.
_________________
www.wrongplanet.net/postp5013377.html&highlight=#5013377
Sora: "My friends are my power."
Ventus: "I'm asking you as a friend. Just... put an end to me." |
|
| Back to top |
|
Sweetleaf
Metalhead
Joined: Jan 07, 2011
Age: 23
Posts: 14828
Location: Somewhere in Colorado
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: Autistic Teenager Killed Himself |
|
|
| PastFixations wrote: | | Sweetleaf wrote: |
As for the article I doubt him taking the comment about being better off dead than in college literally was the 'cause' I can see how that could have been a factor if he was already feeling that way, and in pain from all the bullying and such and took it literally, but to point to that as the cause and ignore the long-term bullying and harrasment would be ignorant in my perspective |
It is possible he could have taken it literally along with the students 'fueling the fire'. |
It certainly is, I just don't think it was just that comment....it could have certainly contributed though especially if he was already depressed.
_________________
It's like alice in wonderland except, my names not alice and this is the real world not a dream. |
|
| Back to top |
|
PastFixations
One who will open the door.
Joined: Sep 22, 2011
Posts: 2697
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 4:17 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yeah I agree that it would not be that comment alone would provoke this action. However that comment may have given him that final bit of ammunition he needed to take his life. If the comment was made on the same day than it does look likely this college staff member will be partly to blame.
_________________
www.wrongplanet.net/postp5013377.html&highlight=#5013377
Sora: "My friends are my power."
Ventus: "I'm asking you as a friend. Just... put an end to me." |
|
| Back to top |
|
Keyman
Deinonychus
Joined: Feb 24, 2012
Age: 19
Posts: 399
|
| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 9:11 am Post subject: |
|
|
Let's see:
* Talk about suicide for 7 years (11-1
* Unavailable social and medical services in Suffolk
* Ignorant staff at West Suffolk College and a good supply of bullies.
His mother got an "apology from Suffolk Police for not dealing with it more robustly". Yeah helpful, after the fact.
So any punishment for bullies or staff.. no?, and definitively no change in policy to hinder this from repeating?, no lessons learned.
(what's a "link-worker" ?) |
|
| Back to top |
|
PastFixations
One who will open the door.
Joined: Sep 22, 2011
Posts: 2697
|
| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:32 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Keyman wrote: |
So any punishment for bullies or staff.. no?, and definitively no change in policy to hinder this from repeating?, no lessons learned.
(what's a "link-worker" ?) |
Exactly, I suspect there is no action taken and any bets that the people involved won't apologise for what they did. I bet they knew he had Autism as well.
I dunno what a link-worker is either but I doubt they are all like that. Might be some sort of person who supplies temporary work for the students.
_________________
www.wrongplanet.net/postp5013377.html&highlight=#5013377
Sora: "My friends are my power."
Ventus: "I'm asking you as a friend. Just... put an end to me." |
|
| Back to top |
|
Keyman
Deinonychus
Joined: Feb 24, 2012
Age: 19
Posts: 399
|
| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 2:19 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I hope someone sets up a bullies hall of shame photo gallery .. 
And give the school bad reputation. |
|
| Back to top |
|
cyberdad
Phoenix
Joined: Feb 22, 2011
Age: 45
Posts: 1630
|
| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:42 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Keyman wrote: | I hope someone sets up a bullies hall of shame photo gallery ..
And give the school bad reputation. |
This is an ongoing issue in schools here in Australia. The victims of bullying are pretty much anyone who doesn't quite fit in with the in-crowd.
The stereotype that bullies are only kids from the poor side of town who get beaten up by their drunken father and take out their frustrations on other kids is not representative of reality. My experience in a private college was that most of the bullying is perpetrated by the rich prefect kids (male and female) who ironically are academically bright and socially successful.
Part of the problem is western society encourages competitiveness and "winner" "loser" type cognition is nurtured in school. The underlying reasons for bullying and social ostracism that leads kids to bully to the point the victim commits suicide are far deeper than we like to admit. |
|
| Back to top |
|
Sweetleaf
Metalhead
Joined: Jan 07, 2011
Age: 23
Posts: 14828
Location: Somewhere in Colorado
|
| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| cyberdad wrote: | | Keyman wrote: | I hope someone sets up a bullies hall of shame photo gallery ..
And give the school bad reputation. |
This is an ongoing issue in schools here in Australia. The victims of bullying are pretty much anyone who doesn't quite fit in with the in-crowd.
The stereotype that bullies are only kids from the poor side of town who get beaten up by their drunken father and take out their frustrations on other kids is not representative of reality. My experience in a private college was that most of the bullying is perpetrated by the rich prefect kids (male and female) who ironically are academically bright and socially successful.
Part of the problem is western society encourages competitiveness and "winner" "loser" type cognition is nurtured in school. The underlying reasons for bullying and social ostracism that leads kids to bully to the point the victim commits suicide are far deeper than we like to admit. |
Wow its weird there sometimes seems to be that sterotype here, when usually its the ones with the socially popular kids with nice home lives bullying those who have problems at home. I mean I wasn't the one bullying the kids who fit in and had successful parents and all they where the ones bullying me it was like there was a cool club and I was never invited.
_________________
It's like alice in wonderland except, my names not alice and this is the real world not a dream. |
|
| Back to top |
|
