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| IdahoRose wrote: | | I agree with everything the OP said. It makes me sick to see young girls walking around in skimpy clothes. I really hate it when I see girls who aren't even teenagers yet wearing a bikini at the pool. Heck, I've even seen toddlers wearing bikinis! And don't even get me started on those beauty pageants for children... |
my mom has put my 2 year old sister in a bikini... I don't see what is so bad about it. At lunch sometimes (for example spaghetti) my mom will have all the babies take their shirts off so they don't stain them (daycare). Oh SH*T!!!
My sister looked really cute in it, had a bunch of frills and stuff. |
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| CockneyRebel wrote: | | I'm also shocked by the way that young girls are dressed these days. It's almost like they want to have sex. They can't see beyond popular culture. I liked the 80s when young girls didn't feel the need to dress like that. I guess that their parents have tried to talk to them, many times. Maybe their parents just don't care. I feel even more uneasy about my birth order when I see girls dressed like that. That stuff is always in your face, as well. Sexism is still alive and well. |
Ah, but you're being sexist by assuming that girls who dress that way "almost want to have sex". Men can go topless in shorts without people assuming they're asking for it. Nobody cares if a man goes topless. What's the difference? There shouldn't be. It's like women wearing burkas - it is exactly the same argument. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:21 pm Post subject: |
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| smudge wrote: | | CockneyRebel wrote: | | I'm also shocked by the way that young girls are dressed these days. It's almost like they want to have sex. They can't see beyond popular culture. I liked the 80s when young girls didn't feel the need to dress like that. I guess that their parents have tried to talk to them, many times. Maybe their parents just don't care. I feel even more uneasy about my birth order when I see girls dressed like that. That stuff is always in your face, as well. Sexism is still alive and well. |
Ah, but you're being sexist by assuming that girls who dress that way "almost want to have sex". Men can go topless in shorts without people assuming they're asking for it. Nobody cares if a man goes topless. What's the difference? There shouldn't be. It's like women wearing burkas - it is exactly the same argument. |
Your point is well taken. I'll watch my words in the future. 
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:31 pm Post subject: |
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| CockneyRebel wrote: | | I guess that what I meant to say is that people get the impression that girls who wear shorts that are short and tight give off signals that they want sex, even though that might not be the case. |
Hey, it's OK. I'm really glad you took on my POV and didn't get defensive like most people would. Don't worry about what you said, everyone has to learn some way. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| CrazyCatLord wrote: | | CockneyRebel wrote: | | Sexism is still alive and well. |
In countries where sexism is rampant, girls and women wear burqas, niqabs and hijabs, and basically walk around like beekeepers. Revealing clothing is not a sign of a sexist society, it is a sign that women are free to dress in any way they want and enjoy a great deal of legal protection, which allows them to safely enter into an arms race of sex appeal.
No man forces women to dress that way. On the contrary; in strictly male-dominated societies, women are forced to dress extremely modest and puritanical. Those girls are simply trying to keep up with the female competition. |
Nobody forces anyone to do anything, but like I said before peer pressure plays a huge part in it. It seems that the only way women (and sometimes men) can get any attention is if they are wearing revealing clothes and if they choose not to wear them they are called puritans. |
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also cockneyrebel, teenage girls do have a sex drive. they do want sex. i never understood why we were warned away from teenage boys as teens because all they wanted to do was have sex(also a sexist assumption) when girls themselves have their needs and desires and i think many adults would have an anurism if they ever listened to conversations in the girls toilet. plus it was paternalistic, like why do girls need to be protected and why are we considered emotionally vulnerable and all that but the big stong boys are ok on their own? what happens if they do have sex and maybe even like it? is that so dangerous?
and on crazycatlords comment skimpy clothing is no more a sign of liberation than wearing the burqa is a sign of oppression if it is a choice. you're kinda ignoring raunch culture as a whole and the objectification of women everywhere- i dare you to spend a day walking around and not bump into something that tells us that we should conform to some standard of beauty. women are not liberated in the west, we are oppressed. i actually think that one of the muslim feminist arguments for wearing the hijab, burqa, abaya, etc is kinda cool. they argue that some might wear it as a protest at societies judgement of women based on their appearance(dont tell me people do not do this. it is just really hard to deny it.) and as a protest at narrow definitions of beauty.
| Quote: | | an arms race of sex appeal |
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are you encouraging the idea that women should be seen as sex objects there just to look pretty for some other person, most likely a guy since people who say that are not usually thinking about same sex attracted women especially if they are male.
women shouldnt be judged at all by what they wear whether it is skimpy or all covering. that being said we do live in a society where the media, fashion retailers, advertising and the cult of celebrity tell us that we should look and behave in a certain way to attain a standard of beauty and that if we do not them we are not really worth anything. it's how they make their money- by making women feel bad about themselves eg not sure if any australians have heard that radio commercial where two women are gossiping about another womans shaving habits and how she doesnt even shave her bikini line- "line!? its a national park!". this also encourages the stereotype that women are gossips. we should just be able to wear whatever the frack we wanna wear, society be damned. women are encouraged to pit themselves against each other to police societies norms and this is how we are socilaised from a young age. sexism is internalised. women are not valued for their minds just their bodies. it's why it is sexist when men tell women to shut up when voicing opinions, or exclude them from political talk or whatever.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Those women are using their looks so they can be taken seriously in the world. It's hard for anyone to be taken seriously if they aren't noticed & guys care a lore more about a sexy dressed women than one who isn't. That's what I've gathered from debats on other forums with slu*ty women
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| Posted: Fri Apr 20, 2012 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| nick007 wrote: | | Those women are using their looks so they can be taken seriously in the world. It's hard for anyone to be taken seriously if they aren't noticed & guys care a lore more about a sexy dressed women than one who isn't. That's what I've gathered from debats on other forums with slu*ty women |
I object to you calling them slu*ty women.
However, it's true that you can be sort of invisible if you're plain-looking,
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| puddingmouse wrote: | | nick007 wrote: | | Those women are using their looks so they can be taken seriously in the world. It's hard for anyone to be taken seriously if they aren't noticed & guys care a lore more about a sexy dressed women than one who isn't. That's what I've gathered from debats on other forums with slu*ty women |
I object to you calling them slu*ty women.
However, it's true that you can be sort of invisible if you're plain-looking, |
Sorry I couldn't think of a more PC term off the top of my head.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Why females aren't taken seriously |
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| RightGalaxy wrote: | Now, I'm 51 years old and I've lived long enough to see trends and how things end up. I've always had a wish that women in general would eventually value themselves more and see themselves in a better way than just sex objects. After all the women's lib marches in the 70's, Gloria Steinhem, the right to vote, the list goes on..... BUT STILL, when I drop my son off at school, what do I see?? Young girls not even yet 15 years old with shorts up their arses, low cut blouses that would even embarrass a prostitute (no insult to those who actually make a living this way). They sexualize themselves in school snapshots, on facebook, etc...
Do they think that their vaginas are the sum total of themselves? Is it the media? the fashion industry? Who is to blame??!!
My son is in honors classes and there are a "minority" of females in his classes. Yet they have far too many cheerleaders to where they have grueling competitions to even be considered for entry into this extracurricular activity. There is a minimal number of females in math clubs, school newspaper club, anything that requires a brain and NOT a vagina seems to be lacking enrollment! WHAT IS HAPPENING TO OUR GIRLS IN THIS COUNTRY??? What's going on here? It's the year 2012 and yet females are meaner to each other than ever before. Have we made any progress at all?? |
Currently there's kind of this weird backlash going on where I live with women's right to healthcare and equal-ish pay and the right to even be included in the debate about what's best for us.
I was thinking about this the other day and it occurred to me that females of any species are incredibly valuable for their ability to procreate. It's not necessarily attractive to think of it, but a single male would be plenty for several females (reproductively at least). So males are actually less biologically valuable.
Every single guy I've ever dated or been friends with has had this kind of inherent insecurity (anecdotal - not that women don't, but I'm just stating what I've experienced). So I live in this society that dramatically favors men and their interests and goals, but essentially it's kind of like a psychic bandaid over this gaping wound of suspected and literal comparative uselessness. Men are figuratively big and blustery and in charge and women are generally less so.
So these little 15 year old girls are doing everything they can to be "attractive" because that's what women in my society are valued for. I say "attractive" because that includes acting like you're not as smart as you are, that you're "badder" or "madder" than you are, and showing your body. Most importantly showing your body because no one wants to date a librarian from the 50's and if no one wants to date you, you don't really exist.
Because generally boys don't like girls who are obviously smarter than they are and they want to be able to show off that girl to their friends and have their friends be impressed and/or jealous. And smart, buttoned-up girls aren't nearly as titillating as wanna-be porn stars. |
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Clothing choice is a ridiculous basis for whether or not to take someone seriously.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2012 4:07 am Post subject: |
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| Who_Am_I wrote: | | Clothing choice is a ridiculous basis for whether or not to take someone seriously. |
I go by how they present themselves in their clothing.
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