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techstepgenr8tion
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We're going crazy in essentially a sensory deprevation chamber with no certain way of knowing which way is up, which way is down, and even within the mainline religous suggestions such as 'Live for Christ' - one holds them up to inspection and realizing that they're vague enough to mean not only nothing, even less than nothing (for the last example: great, tell me - if he exists - why he put me here, why he made me me, and I'll be more than happy to do exactly what he wants.....*if* that day ever comes).
If there's no hell - its perhaps unnerving, jarring, but apparently semi-well and good although we might be waking up out of our naps, traveling back up the Einstein-Rosen bridge, talking to other light beings at the other end and saying "Wow, I get that its supposed to be a great teaching venue but - it borders on unethical"! In that sense its like the movie The Game - and I can only imagine how many people who, when they saw their brother or whoever set them up to go through it would likely want to do the Major League thing and sucker-punch them in the stomach, THEN hug them.
If there is hell - and if it comes from confusion on earth and nothing more - it can't ethically be a permanent state. If the dice were thrown for this to be a learning experience and certain people go to places that are literally welded together of people's misguided subconscious thoughts (in which case the "I didn't do it to you - you did it to yourself" holds true); it wouldn't make sense that God can't run a salvage mission. If he can't - this process is ugly enough that I can't imagine most souls in that case entering heaven not asking him to bring it to a stop and telling God that being the lucky bullets in the chamber rather than the unlucky ones gives them little or no comfort realizing that they could have just as easily been the next person and not made it out.
Lastly - if there's a hell and a Lucifer - we're dealing with a higher power who either used him to this extent or doesn't know what omniscience means: that he's the sum of all factors, that there's no such thing as a situation that he hasn't created fully of his own doing, nor a single motion, thought, or twitch that any creature that's ever existed has executed that wasn't by extension his own behavior. If we have a God who forgives all, and Lucifer, and when the game is over the slate is wiped clean and he welcomes Lucifer back saying - 'Thank you for that rousing game of chess' - all's fair but wow, its even more horrifically nerve-wracking than the scenario two paragraphs up. In the last case though - if he truly doesn't realize what he's done (as organized/fundamentalists might suggest) - then we're DEEP in brown with out a boat or a paddle. Lets just hope by all intents and purposes that we don't find the Protestant's God, the Wahaabi's Allah, or Carl Jung's God of 'Answers to Job'.
From all this analysis though it does shed light on one thing - whether its controversial of me to say this or not I don't care: reductive materialism can be a heck of a wonderful security blanket, especially when weighed against so many possibilities - half of which are significantly more troubling than simply ceasing to be at the end of life. |
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i had a lot of trouble keeping up with that last post lol i tried but my brain is still processiong it  |
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Vexcalibur
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| Posted: Thu May 03, 2012 7:10 pm Post subject: Re: Got a problem with God Fire away |
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| lilbetta wrote: | i realize this is probably totally an idiotic undertaking for me and i probably will eventually get soo stressed i will have to delete my account but here it goes...
It is well known most Aspies are athiests or agnostic...
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Huh?
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soutthpaw
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| Grebels wrote: | | I see you mean like God cannot do miracles because He does not exist. |
Yes that is correct oh and here is the link for The Invisible Pink Unicorn
of course if you prefer to be touched by his noodley appendage you can go here Church of the Flying Spagetti Monster.  |
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abacacus
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| Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: |
I mean this if it is the faithul following their beliefs and faith why does it bother you even if their was no religion these things would still take place. |
And if there was no religion then all of the genocides over the years also would have happened for different reasons (most likely). Are you going to defend all of those as well? |
Not true genocides happened under stalin a atheist and pol pot and mao geneocide would happen even if their was no religion. |
Your point? Atheists have committed genocide, theists have committed genocide (Hitler comes to mind, Catholic :p ).
My point was that if there was no religion, those genocides would have still happened with a different excuse. You claim the same thing about the atrocities committed in the bible and that god commands you do to. Will you stand up and defend all those genocides as "people following their beliefs?"
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| Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | And abacacus Chritians do not follow every law in the bible why do you think we follow everyone of thsoe laws do you not even realise how many laws their are in the bible no christain can follow all of them. Not following them does not make a christian unchristian. |
It makes you a great bunch of hypocrites
"I can't follow all these laws, BUT IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE GONNA GO TO HELL!"
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How so because we follow the laws that are the most important like the ten commandents or becasue you seem to have thsi idea that we should follow them all. And those laws are for the religious you don't have to follow then Abacacus because your a non theist which is fine it only makes the faithful more faithful when people don't believe in God. |
You are aware the Ten Commandments are Old Testament right? The book you don't follow? :p
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Joker
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| abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: |
I mean this if it is the faithul following their beliefs and faith why does it bother you even if their was no religion these things would still take place. |
And if there was no religion then all of the genocides over the years also would have happened for different reasons (most likely). Are you going to defend all of those as well? |
Not true genocides happened under stalin a atheist and pol pot and mao geneocide would happen even if their was no religion. |
Your point? Atheists have committed genocide, theists have committed genocide (Hitler comes to mind, Catholic :p ).
My point was that if there was no religion, those genocides would have still happened with a different excuse. You claim the same thing about the atrocities committed in the bible and that god commands you do to. Will you stand up and defend all those genocides as "people following their beliefs?" |
Of course not because their is no scriputure in the bible saying though shall commit genocide but atheists doing it for a diffrent reason is irrealivant the fact is they still did it. |
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Joker
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| abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | And abacacus Chritians do not follow every law in the bible why do you think we follow everyone of thsoe laws do you not even realise how many laws their are in the bible no christain can follow all of them. Not following them does not make a christian unchristian. |
It makes you a great bunch of hypocrites
"I can't follow all these laws, BUT IF YOU DON'T YOU'RE GONNA GO TO HELL!"
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How so because we follow the laws that are the most important like the ten commandents or becasue you seem to have thsi idea that we should follow them all. And those laws are for the religious you don't have to follow then Abacacus because your a non theist which is fine it only makes the faithful more faithful when people don't believe in God. |
You are aware the Ten Commandments are Old Testament right? The book you don't follow? :p |
Yes I do follow both books btw just not every law as I have stated doing so would take a lot of work teh laws of moses are over 613 laws of moses to follow none of them have anything to do with killing infants but following all of them would be hard to do for a Jew or a Christian or Muslim |
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Vigilans
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| Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: | | abacacus wrote: | | Joker wrote: |
I mean this if it is the faithul following their beliefs and faith why does it bother you even if their was no religion these things would still take place. |
And if there was no religion then all of the genocides over the years also would have happened for different reasons (most likely). Are you going to defend all of those as well? |
Not true genocides happened under stalin a atheist and pol pot and mao geneocide would happen even if their was no religion. |
Your point? Atheists have committed genocide, theists have committed genocide (Hitler comes to mind, Catholic :p ).
My point was that if there was no religion, those genocides would have still happened with a different excuse. You claim the same thing about the atrocities committed in the bible and that god commands you do to. Will you stand up and defend all those genocides as "people following their beliefs?" |
Of course not because their is no scriputure in the bible saying though shall commit genocide but atheists doing it for a diffrent reason is irrealivant the fact is they still did it. |
Actually, those who engaged in such practices were Communists, and did it because part of their state's ideology was anti-religion. Blood has been spilled in the name of religion, time and again, but in the name of atheism? Not particularly
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Joker
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| Never said it was in the name of Atheism but Atheism is still one of the core beliefs of communism but not all communists and not all christian in the year 2012 kill in the name of religion if they do their fanatical which means they twist the bible their often racist views and radical ideas using religion as a scapegoat to do so. |
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Vigilans
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I do not like to be one to say stuff like this, but; Your sentence structuring makes me cringe :/ you're lucky I deal with Quebecois who barely speak English on a regular basis, or I may not be so good at deciphering your posts
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Joker
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I don't know how to use grammar or punctuation nor do I understnad grammar or punctuation rules  |
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Vigilans
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Well, take some time out of your day, and instead of reading the Bible or Batman comic books, use some online resources to help you improve that. You can only benefit.
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Joker
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| I read Doom Patrol Or Joker comics and Read the bible on Sunday the day of rest |
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Vigilans
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The Bible for the day of rest? Ouch. That might be the most stressful piece of literature in existence
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