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marshall
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| Raptor wrote: | As it stands we (including ME) are much more tolerant of them than they are of us. They NEVER will accept us so I won't wait on what's not going to happen. The fact that this is not crystal clear to you is whats disturbing.
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There was a time when Christians punished heretics with the death penalty. Cultures do change. I sense this thinly veiled attitude that after 9/11, people of your political persuasion would have blindly supported any attack on any country that happened to be Muslim, whether or not there was any evidence whatsoever of an actual connection. You just couldn't be placated until some Muslim blood was spilled. They kill "us" in our country, we kill "them" in theirs, right? That's EXACTLY how Jihadists think and justify terrorism. You are no f***ing better. If you were born "over there" and indoctrinated as an Islamist you would probably be a f***ing jihadist yourself. I can almost guarantee it. It's the exact same exact f***ing mentality. Vengeance. |
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marshall
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Raptor wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: | You can name off Middle Eastern terrorist attacks all you want, but that doesn't indict all Muslims.
And as far as Iraq having WMD's is concerned, this charge only came about because the alleged connection between Saddam and Bin Laden was thoroughly proven to be false. In this case, the WMD charge just looks like what it is - a standby pretext for an overeager administration to declare war.
And incidentally, while awaiting trial, Saddam Hussein had been asked by the Arab American FBI agent assigned to him if he (Saddam) had had any WMD's. Saddam answered, no, but he would have built them again had he had the chance. Straight from the horses mouth. This particular agent believed he was telling the truth.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
I've already done my research on the Iraq/WMD issue and came to my conclusions. Those conclusions my not be in vogue at the time but they are still accurate none the less and to me historical facts, period. |
In other words, facts don't matter to you. The facts are molded as needed to support the need for blood and the restoring of national honor through war. We were attacked on 9/11 and by god it was them towel-heads who done it! We now need to beat our chest and restore our honer by bombing the sh** out of the most convenient towel-head dictator available! |
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Lord_Gareth
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| marshall wrote: | | It's the exact same exact f***ing mentality. Vengeance. |
Hey now, I take offense to this - neither Raptor nor Jihadists have anywhere near the style and class required to actually commit an act of vengeance, and must instead settle for petty revenge like a street thug might. I do vengeance. They do reactionary war-mongering.
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Raptor
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| Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There was a time when Christians punished heretics with the death penalty. Cultures do change. I sense this thinly veiled attitude that after 9/11, people of your political persuasion would have blindly supported any attack on any country that happened to be Muslim, whether or not there was any evidence whatsoever of an actual connection. You just couldn't be placated until some Muslim blood was spilled. They kill "us" in our country, we kill "them" in theirs, right? That's EXACTLY how Jihadists think and justify terrorism. You are no f***ing better. If you were born "over there" and indoctrinated as an Islamist you would probably be a f***ing jihadist yourself. I can almost guarantee it. It's the exact same exact f***ing mentality. Vengeance. |
Lots of F-bombs, false accusations, and what you and a few others would call "attacks" if they were aimed at you. Do you feel better now?
And there's nothing for me to thinly or thickly veil, sport. Things are what they are and more people are starting to see things for what they are, not what they should be.
If I had been born over there maybe I would be a jihadist. I’d rather be a jihadist any day than like some sniveling liberal whiners I’ve had to deal with and I’m naming anyone.
| Quote: | | In other words, facts don't matter to you. The facts are molded as needed to support the need for blood and the restoring of national honor through war. We were attacked on 9/11 and by god it was them towel-heads who done it! We now need to beat our chest and restore our honer by bombing the sh** out of the most convenient towel-head dictator available! |
Your facts or mine? There seems to be two kinds of facts on just about anything, depending.
More rantings after that but now you go as far as racial slurs against Arabs with the "towel head" comment that I DID NOT say in anything I wrote.
BTW, it’s spelled honor. |
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marshall
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| Raptor wrote: | Lots of F-bombs, false accusations, and what you and a few others would call "attacks" if they were aimed at you. Do you feel better now?
And there's nothing for me to thinly or thickly veil, sport. Things are what they are and more people are starting to see things for what they are, not what they should be.
If I had been born over there maybe I would be a jihadist. I’d rather be a jihadist any day than like some sniveling liberal whiners I’ve had to deal with and I’m naming anyone. |
Yes, being a war monger makes you "hard and macho" unlike "sniveling liberal whiners". That's the conservative mentality, think with your dick.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | In other words, facts don't matter to you. The facts are molded as needed to support the need for blood and the restoring of national honor through war. We were attacked on 9/11 and by god it was them towel-heads who done it! We now need to beat our chest and restore our honer by bombing the sh** out of the most convenient towel-head dictator available! |
Your facts or mine? There seems to be two kinds of facts on just about anything, depending.
More rantings after that but now you go as far as racial slurs against Arabs with the "towel head" comment that I DID NOT say in anything I wrote. |
Two kinds of facts? Why are you suddenly going all post-modern on me? I thought conservatives didn't like that wishy/washy "there is more than one truth" relativism crap.
| Quote: | | BTW, it’s spelled honor. |
Pointing out typos is a pretty good sign that you have nothing more important to say. |
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[quote="Kraichgauer"][quote="ruveyn"] | Kraichgauer wrote: |
At least you have conceded it's wrong to take any action against Muslim Americans as a group, and that's a start.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Ponder this quote from the motion picture -A Man for All Seasons-
William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake! |
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Kraichgauer
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:12 am Post subject: |
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[quote="ruveyn"][quote="Kraichgauer"] | ruveyn wrote: | | Kraichgauer wrote: |
At least you have conceded it's wrong to take any action against Muslim Americans as a group, and that's a start.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Ponder this quote from the motion picture -A Man for All Seasons-
William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake! |
I shall ponder it.
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Raptor
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 8:31 am Post subject: |
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| marshall wrote: | | Raptor wrote: | Lots of F-bombs, false accusations, and what you and a few others would call "attacks" if they were aimed at you. Do you feel better now?
And there's nothing for me to thinly or thickly veil, sport. Things are what they are and more people are starting to see things for what they are, not what they should be.
If I had been born over there maybe I would be a jihadist. I’d rather be a jihadist any day than like some sniveling liberal whiners I’ve had to deal with and I’m naming anyone. |
Yes, being a war monger makes you "hard and macho" unlike "sniveling liberal whiners". That's the conservative mentality, think with your dick.
| Quote: | | Quote: | | In other words, facts don't matter to you. The facts are molded as needed to support the need for blood and the restoring of national honor through war. We were attacked on 9/11 and by god it was them towel-heads who done it! We now need to beat our chest and restore our honer by bombing the sh** out of the most convenient towel-head dictator available! |
Your facts or mine? There seems to be two kinds of facts on just about anything, depending.
More rantings after that but now you go as far as racial slurs against Arabs with the "towel head" comment that I DID NOT say in anything I wrote. |
Two kinds of facts? Why are you suddenly going all post-modern on me? I thought conservatives didn't like that wishy/washy "there is more than one truth" relativism crap.
| Quote: | | BTW, it’s spelled honor. |
Pointing out typos is a pretty good sign that you have nothing more important to say. |
| Quote: | | Yes, being a war monger makes you "hard and macho" unlike "sniveling liberal whiners". That's the conservative mentality, think with your dick. |
And if I were a liberal all I'd have to think with is my bitter and misguided little heart.
| Quote: | | Pointing out typos is a pretty good sign that you have nothing more important to say |
I certainly haven't seen you say anything important. |
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Greb
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| Raptor wrote: | | marshall wrote: | | Raptor wrote: | Back to Islam: Here you have a religion  that condones (and in some countries actually DOES) whipping of women and killing of gays for excercising rights that you all claim to beleive so strongly in.
I find it a bit ironic how you all can screech so loudly about how mean and intolerant the tea party and republicans are on one hand yet bend over backwards to protect the "rights of a religion that openly preaches and condones hate and intolerance. |
What the hell does opposing the US's unprovoked invasion of Iraq have to do with defending Islam? I would oppose such a war regardless of what religion Iraqi's happened to follow.
That you are so quick to focus on the fact that Iraq is Muslim is disturbing. You think the lives of Muslims are more expendable because they are so backwards right? Well, what if someone decided American lives were expendable because our country is backwards? What do you think we should do about all those mean and intolerant Muslims? Declare war on all Muslim countries and throw all American Muslims into internment camps? Do you think that will cause followers of Islam to embrace tolerance and secular democracy? |
| Quote: | | What the hell does opposing the US's unprovoked invasion of Iraq have to do with defending Islam? |
Not everyone has swallowed the convenient story about the invasion of Iraq being un-provoked. We should have waited for Iraq to actually use their WMD's and use that for justification to invade. |
I don't see the logic on this. The gouvernment of Hussein was basically secular. Islamists came to power precisely after (and because) the invasion. |
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That's absolutely correct. The notion that there was some sort of Islamic terrorist connection was entirely a fiction created by the Bush administration. Even that bloviating ignoramus Donald Trump has enough sense to know Saddam killed terrorists in his country.
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Raptor
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| Kraichgauer wrote: | That's absolutely correct. The notion that there was some sort of Islamic terrorist connection was entirely a fiction created by the Bush administration. Even that bloviating ignoramus Donald Trump has enough sense to know Saddam killed terrorists in his country.
-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer |
Sadam's regime was terror itself. Don't take my word, just ask the Kurds.... |
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| the Kurd is the word. |
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Greb
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| JWC wrote: | | the Kurd is the word. |
Kurds are muslim. They were not attacked because religious reasons but because political/racial/cultural ones. Indeed, Kurds are much more religious than the former political party that governed Iraq in times of SH.
I just don't see the logic behind accusing of islamism a secular gouvernment and pointing as evidence the genocide of a ethnic group that is much more islamic than this gouvernment.
I used to see this kind of reasoning (in case there's a reasoning) in NT political forums. I'm surprised of seeing it in a asperger forum, when one of the asperger advantadges is supposed to be an exquisite use of logic. |
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| Greb wrote: | | JWC wrote: | | the Kurd is the word. |
Kurds are muslim. They were not attacked because religious reasons but because political/racial/cultural ones. Indeed, Kurds are much more religious than the former political party that governed Iraq in times of SH.
I just don't see the logic behind accusing of islamism a secular gouvernment and pointing as evidence the genocide of a ethnic group that is much more islamic than this gouvernment.
I used to see this kind of reasoning (in case there's a reasoning) in NT political forums. I'm surprised of seeing it in a asperger forum, when one of the asperger advantadges is supposed to be an exquisite use of logic. |
It was a joke. Have fun untying the knot in your panties!  |
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| Greb wrote: | | JWC wrote: | | the Kurd is the word. |
Kurds are muslim. They were not attacked because religious reasons but because political/racial/cultural ones. Indeed, Kurds are much more religious than the former political party that governed Iraq in times of SH.
I just don't see the logic behind accusing of islamism a secular gouvernment and pointing as evidence the genocide of a ethnic group that is much more islamic than this gouvernment. |
The thing is, this whole American conservative hullabaloo over Islam has little to do with religion itself. It is essentially a racial conflict; they use Islam as a veil for their racism against Middle Easterners.
Of course Christianity and Judaism had Middle Eastern roots just like Islam, but unlike Islam they've expanded into Europe and so are commonly perceived as Western and white. I don't think it's coincidence that Jesus and Moses are popularly portrayed in Western cartoons as white Greco-Romans whereas Muhammad is typically represented as a brown-skinned Arabian. |
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