cyberdad
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| OJani wrote: | | Somehow I have the feeling that in your eyes if a country is an ex-communist country, it must be well underdeveloped in comparison to any other part of Europe, including countries that are indeed not much different in any way in terms of both cultural and economical development. |
No I think this topic is about "western countries", I don't believe ex-USSR states are in the western sphere because if you look at the internal movement of people everyone is trying to leave the ex-communist states and move to the "west".
Have you heard of English, French or Germans wanting a better life in Hungary or Poland? |
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OJani
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| cyberdad wrote: | | OJani wrote: | | Somehow I have the feeling that in your eyes if a country is an ex-communist country, it must be well underdeveloped in comparison to any other part of Europe, including countries that are indeed not much different in any way in terms of both cultural and economical development. |
No I think this topic is about "western countries", I don't believe ex-USSR states are in the western sphere because if you look at the internal movement of people everyone is trying to leave the ex-communist states and move to the "west".
Have you heard of English, French or Germans wanting a better life in Hungary or Poland? |
Of course not, or rather not often, but that's not the point. In fact, there are people who have found their places in those countries, for example some managers, our company is headed by one of them. People tend to move to countries with better life possibilities for obvious reasons, even within the "western sphere". Without that the USA wouldn't exist as we know it... Some do move due to political or rather, cultural reasons, though. I'd do the same if I hadn't had some fears about such thorough changes in my life.
I think "western countries" for the purpose of this topic would include all those countries which declare they want to belong to them, regardless of former political status, so the whole EU should be considered as one. It has nothing to do with migration tendencies, imo. |
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cyberdad
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| Posted: Mon May 21, 2012 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| OJani wrote: | | I think "western countries" for the purpose of this topic would include all those countries which declare they want to belong to them, regardless of former political status, so the whole EU should be considered as one. It has nothing to do with migration tendencies, imo. |
Ojani, Americans may consider moving to the Canada, Australia or NZ or other English speaking western European countries for a better standard of life.
If I knew their were better autism services in the Holland, Scandanvia or even Germany I would consider moving there because of the standard of living. If I was getting desperate and there was something really innovative I might consider Spain, Italy or France and cope with the lower standard of living.
I would not consider Eastern European countries because they are economically backward with high unemployment and traditionally treat disabled people very badly. I found the documentaries about neglect of Romanian children in orphanages and institutions disgusting.
I hope I am not being impolite, this is just what the question relates to; what western country would you move if you were autistic. |
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Any country wealthy enough to have the luxury of judging people for not being "quite right" instead of making the best use it can of the people it has.
In other words, pretty much every developed country on Earth.
Me, I want to go to Canada. Not for the services. For the population density-- or lack thereof. I think I'd be OK with wolves.
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Keeno
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| BuyerBeware wrote: | Any country wealthy enough to have the luxury of judging people for not being "quite right" instead of making the best use it can of the people it has.
In other words, pretty much every developed country on Earth.
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Seems that you and I share a view that countries which are developed see people alleged to be "different" as expendable, just because they can, economically speaking. Having got to a certain development level, such societies feel they can afford to winnow out elements adjudged not to be hale and hearty enough compared to the fitness the population has reached. I guess this is a price to pay for having the level of security developed countries offer, so I guess it's all much of a muchness. |
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HisDivineMajesty
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If it's not just about the care, which is also going to cost a lot of money soon, you should avoid the Netherlands. It's really expensive, and apart from some rural areas, you'll almost certainly live only a few metres from your closest neighbours, and there will usually be no time of day when there's no-one around, even in relatively quiet areas. The moment you open your window, you can usually hear people. I can't remember the last time there wasn't a single human being within a fifty-metre radius. Oh, and public transport is full of people who'd make commercial rappers look friendly and never hesitate to insult you or even, as happened to someone I know, rob you in a crowded train.
That might also be a good reason to avoid Singapore, the north of Belgium, and Hong Kong.
Former East Germany isn't a good choice either - even with billions poured into it, it still looks and feels uncomfortable. |
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