kx250rider
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I was skinny with a pot belly and big a$$ as a child and early teen, but got into weightlifting by 16-17, and got into decent shape by high school. Not great, but decent. Got skinny again in my early 20s, then a little fat in my mid 20s, and really got back into aggressive lifting in my 30s, and been in good shape since. Age 45 now, and 6' tall at 185 lbs with under 5% body fat.
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muslimmetalhead
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| kx250rider wrote: | I was skinny with a pot belly and big a$$ as a child and early teen, but got into weightlifting by 16-17, and got into decent shape by high school. Not great, but decent. Got skinny again in my early 20s, then a little fat in my mid 20s, and really got back into aggressive lifting in my 30s, and been in good shape since. Age 45 now, and 6' tall at 185 lbs with under 5% body fat.
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Hah, it's the same for me as a child, but I got into weightlifting big time by like 14, so I'm in *decent* shape. Trying to get stronger.
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ValentineWiggin
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| Kurgan wrote: | | CaptainTrips222 wrote: | I had excellent endurance, but was husky being my body doesn't allow me to get thin no matter what I do.
And for the people who say it's all diet and exercise, you're idiots. Period. |
For a 75 kg man, 1700 calories aloe are used to maintain body temperature. Nobody's bodytype gravitates toward more fat than the upper-end of the ideal body fat percentage (which means 22% in men). |
Of course it does. There's incredible variation among human beings,
and many of us have a set point in the overweight or obese range,
all while eating healthfully and exercising.
Good for you. Everyone's different. You won't find a doctor worth her salt who will tell you some people aren't healthier at higher weights.
Nothing in the article you cited refuted the fact that some people's metabolisms are far slower than others.
Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel?
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Delphiki
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| ValentineWiggin wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | CaptainTrips222 wrote: | I had excellent endurance, but was husky being my body doesn't allow me to get thin no matter what I do.
And for the people who say it's all diet and exercise, you're idiots. Period. |
For a 75 kg man, 1700 calories aloe are used to maintain body temperature. Nobody's bodytype gravitates toward more fat than the upper-end of the ideal body fat percentage (which means 22% in men). |
Of course it does. There's incredible variation among human beings,
and many of us have a set point in the overweight or obese range,
all while eating healthfully and exercising.
Good for you. Everyone's different. You won't find a doctor worth her salt who will tell you some people aren't healthier at higher weights.
Nothing in the article you cited refuted the fact that some people's metabolisms are far slower than others. |
How is it possible that something that works for me does not work for you? LIES
Junior year I got in really good shape, did wrestling. I was a little underweight but I always have been, genetic. After that season I got depressed and lost a lot of muscle, but retained some, so my "base" is better than it used to be. Got in decent shape, then went down to my base. And now I am on an upswing again  Hopefully I won't have a downturn.
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ValentineWiggin
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| Delphiki wrote: |
How is it possible that something that works for me does not work for you? LIES
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People seem to think human weight is some magical exception to the incredible diversity we can observe in all aspects of biological life.
Why wouldn't they? If everyone was happy with their bodies, there would be no potential for profit. 
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Kurgan
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| ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Of course it does. There's incredible variation among human beings,
and many of us have a set point in the overweight or obese range,
all while eating healthfully and exercising.
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The laws of thermodynamics are the same eveywhere. Being "obese" isn't something you are just because of your genetics; it's a lifetyle choice where you don't adapt your diet to your metabolism and activity level. Most respected doctors agree with me
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Good for you. Everyone's different. You won't find a doctor worth her salt who will tell you some people aren't healthier at higher weights.
Nothing in the article you cited refuted the fact that some people's metabolisms are far slower than others.
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The vast majority of doctors will tell that you're at your healthiest within your ideal range of bodyfat. hence, the only chimpanzees who are even slightly plump are alpha males or females, as they are the ones who get to choose the food first.
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Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel? |
Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.
Fat people either exercise to little or et too much. |
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Delphiki
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| Kurgan wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel? |
Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.
Fat people either exercise to little or eat too much. |
Couldn't the opposite be said for people who are too skinny? If you are skinny just eat more. Well seeing as how my mom, me, and my brother are all skinny and me and my brother eat a lot I don't take much stock into that 
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Kurgan
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| Delphiki wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel? |
Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.
Fat people either exercise to little or eat too much. |
Couldn't the opposite be said for people who are too skinny? If you are skinny just eat more. Well seeing as how my mom, me, and my brother are all skinny and me and my brother eat a lot I don't take much stock into that |
Depends on how skinny. You can still be skinny and carry a body fat percentage of 15, if you have low muscle mass and a small frame.
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Delphiki
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| Kurgan wrote: | | Delphiki wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel? |
Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.
Fat people either exercise to little or eat too much. |
Couldn't the opposite be said for people who are too skinny? If you are skinny just eat more. Well seeing as how my mom, me, and my brother are all skinny and me and my brother eat a lot I don't take much stock into that |
Depends on how skinny. You can still be skinny and carry a body fat percentage of 15, if you have low muscle mass and a small frame. |
how about 120lbs at 5ft 11, that is just speculated though, I think that is what my brother used to weight (he might have been a little shorter though), he probably weights a bit more now. I used to weight 128 at 5ft 11. I had more muscle than him. Highest I have ever weighed was 142. I was told by my grandpa when I asked that I probably have a medium frame, as is probably obvious me and my brother have a similar build.
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Kurgan
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| Delphiki wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | Delphiki wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel? |
Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.
Fat people either exercise to little or eat too much. |
Couldn't the opposite be said for people who are too skinny? If you are skinny just eat more. Well seeing as how my mom, me, and my brother are all skinny and me and my brother eat a lot I don't take much stock into that |
Depends on how skinny. You can still be skinny and carry a body fat percentage of 15, if you have low muscle mass and a small frame. |
how about 120lbs at 5ft 11, that is just speculated though, I think that is what my brother used to weight (he might have been a little shorter though), he probably weights a bit more now. I used to weight 128 at 5ft 11. I had more muscle. Highest I have ever weighed was 142. |
Again: Lifestyle choice. You're not eating enough for your activity level and metabolism. Several bodybuilders used to have a siilar build before they started eating more.
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Delphiki
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oh my gosh... I eat a lot, I do not go above 140
I mean I might after a while, I am exercising fairly regularly right now and trying to eat good.
But do not try to tell me that I am starving myself, if I want to gain weight to a "normal amount" I would have to eat a lot more than most people would. I used to weigh 128. I tried eating more and gained a wopping 4 pounds. I added half a gallon of milk and 2 protein bars to my diet for about 4-5 months (extra 1000 calories or so). I was working at about every other day and gained 12 pounds over that time. after 3 weeks of not gaining more I stopped with the protien bars and extra milk and dropped to a steady 138.
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| Kurgan wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Of course it does. There's incredible variation among human beings,
and many of us have a set point in the overweight or obese range,
all while eating healthfully and exercising.
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The laws of thermodynamics are the same eveywhere. Being "obese" isn't something you are just because of your genetics; it's a lifetyle choice where you don't adapt your diet to your metabolism and activity level. Most respected doctors agree with me
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Good for you. Everyone's different. You won't find a doctor worth her salt who will tell you some people aren't healthier at higher weights.
Nothing in the article you cited refuted the fact that some people's metabolisms are far slower than others.
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The vast majority of doctors will tell that you're at your healthiest within your ideal range of bodyfat. hence, the only chimpanzees who are even slightly plump are alpha males or females, as they are the ones who get to choose the food first.
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Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel? |
Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.
Fat people either exercise to little or et too much. |
the obesity paradox is a phenomenon whereby 25 to 30% of obese people are as healthy as "normal" people, with no additional health risks. in some cases these obese people actually become unhealthy after weight loss supervised by a doctor. and being overweight and obese actually makes some women LESS prone to die of certain diseases (and hence live longer).
you can't simply state that "Obesity makes a woman less healthy" because it isn't true. for some women it is the case, and for others it is not.
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muslimmetalhead
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| hyperlexian wrote: | | Kurgan wrote: | | ValentineWiggin wrote: |
Of course it does. There's incredible variation among human beings,
and many of us have a set point in the overweight or obese range,
all while eating healthfully and exercising.
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The laws of thermodynamics are the same eveywhere. Being "obese" isn't something you are just because of your genetics; it's a lifetyle choice where you don't adapt your diet to your metabolism and activity level. Most respected doctors agree with me
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Good for you. Everyone's different. You won't find a doctor worth her salt who will tell you some people aren't healthier at higher weights.
Nothing in the article you cited refuted the fact that some people's metabolisms are far slower than others.
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The vast majority of doctors will tell that you're at your healthiest within your ideal range of bodyfat. hence, the only chimpanzees who are even slightly plump are alpha males or females, as they are the ones who get to choose the food first.
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Wait.
Wasn't it you who starred in a thread a while back where you outright accused fat people who diet and exercise of lying about their habits and
erroneously claimed being overweight or obese poses inherent risks to female fertility,
to the tune of pages and pages of drivel? |
Which is true. Obesity makes a woman less healthy, less fertile and also poses many risks toward the fetus if she's pregnant. I don't care what some pseudofeminists want to be the designated standard.
Fat people either exercise to little or et too much. |
the obesity paradox is a phenomenon whereby 25 to 30% of obese people are as healthy as "normal" people, with no additional health risks. in some cases these obese people actually become unhealthy after weight loss supervised by a doctor. and being overweight and obese actually makes some women LESS prone to die of certain diseases (and hence live longer).
you can't simply state that "Obesity makes a woman less healthy" because it isn't true. for some women it is the case, and for others it is not. |
How is what you just said not sexist?
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Well, yes. There are unfit people at either side of the obesity divide, but there is no way an obese person is going to out-perform somone who is fit and isn't obese unless it's eating or sweating, or being a bit weird and delusional.
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| kx250rider wrote: | I was skinny with a pot belly and big a$$ as a child and early teen, but got into weightlifting by 16-17, and got into decent shape by high school. Not great, but decent. Got skinny again in my early 20s, then a little fat in my mid 20s, and really got back into aggressive lifting in my 30s, and been in good shape since. Age 45 now, and 6' tall at 185 lbs with under 5% body fat.
Charles |
How's your diet, Charles? I'd trade a testicle to be that lean. |
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