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zombiegirl2010
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| Venger wrote: | | Diamorphine wrote: | | Venger wrote: | | Mentally retarded people are more likely to be a "race" because it affects the way they physically look especially their facial features. |
That's why they called Down Syndrome Mongolism before the Mongolians said it was insulting. |
The 1956 movie "The Conqueror" where John Wayne plays the mongol Genghis Khan sounds pretty retarded. |
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Ganondox
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| Keeno wrote: | | Atomsk wrote: | | I totally agree with you. I also think that the whole "Autism/AS is the next step in human evolution!" thing is a bunch of garbage. |
If there is a next step in human evolution (which there will be some time) - autism and Asperger's is not it. |
This is just as idiotic as the other side, evolution does not have steps. For all we know humanity will split into four different species, or we all die in 30 years.
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Ganondox
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| Venger wrote: | | Mentally retarded people are more likely to be a "race" because it affects the way they physically look especially their facial features. |
No it does not. Many conditions that cause retardation such as Downs, Fragile X, and Fetal Alcohol Syndrome have physical phenotypes, but retardation in itself does not.
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Sweetleaf
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| Venger wrote: | | Mentally retarded people are more likely to be a "race" because it affects the way they physically look especially their facial features. |
Well they aren't a race and I think it's downs syndrome you are thinking of, I don't know that mental retardation alone effects ones appearance considering all the normal looking mentally retarded people I've seen.
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Rascal77s
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Diamorphine wrote: |
It's not a "Way of life", you CHOOSE your way of life, you're given AS. Trivializing the disease will lead to the entire world thinking it's a joke
they'll just think you're a big ol' douche who CHOOSES to act the way they do. Treat it like a disease(WHICH IS BY DEFINITION a bodily occurence that decreases the quality of life and/or shortens lifespan)
People with AS didn't choose to have it, and if it affects their life worse than it effects yours, To some people, it really can shatter hopes/dreams and they're gonna have to work a lot harder than the average person to achieve things, Plus the social isolation as most people get with AS as kids can't be healthy in the long run.
You must realize that there are other people with this disease that don't like the symptoms as much as you and develop depression, anxiety, and a whole f**k ton of problems as adults that could have been avoided. |
| Diamorphine wrote: | That's why they called Down Syndrome Mongolism before the Mongolians said it was insulting.
"The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god. |
You makes a few few posts talking about how people can't help being born the way they are then you proceed to joke about Down Syndrome, use 'retarded' in a disparaging way, and bash people with schizophrenia saying 'it's better to be weird than schizophrenic. People with DS and schizophrenia have all of the problems that you claim to be sensitive about. But I guess I should be sensitive to you because you probably can't help being a hypocrite. |
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Venger
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:23 am Post subject: |
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| zombiegirl2010 wrote: | | Venger wrote: | | Diamorphine wrote: | | Venger wrote: | | Mentally retarded people are more likely to be a "race" because it affects the way they physically look especially their facial features. |
That's why they called Down Syndrome Mongolism before the Mongolians said it was insulting. |
The 1956 movie "The Conqueror" where John Wayne plays the mongol Genghis Khan sounds pretty retarded. |
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It's on the wikipedia list of the top-4 worst films of the 1950s. Doesn't this movie poster make it sound stupid?
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
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| Venger wrote: | | Mentally retarded people are more likely to be a "race" because it affects the way they physically look especially their facial features. |
Why do I want to club a baby seal when I read your post? |
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Venger
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| Rascal77s wrote: | | Venger wrote: | | Mentally retarded people are more likely to be a "race" because it affects the way they physically look especially their facial features. |
Why do I want to club a baby seal when I read your post? |
I don't actually think retarded people are a different race. My point was that if people with AS were a different race there would be distinguishing physical traits which there aren't, so there's no chance of it.
The OP was implying that some people with aspergers on here act like they're part of a "superior race" or something. |
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I agree with jonny23 - elitism is not productive, but making the most of what you have is. Is AS a disability, an advantage, just a difference or something else? That depends on the severity of it, the exact symptoms and, to some extent, on what the person makes of it. I also agree that people's natural tendency to want to belong to some group (which apparently isn't entirely missing even in Aspies!) probably explains why someone may want to be accepted as an Aspie. Or it could just be a case of wanting an identity - "if I'm not this, then what am I?"
| Sweetleaf wrote: | | For one I know how the brain I have works I probably would not know how to operate a neurotypical brain |
You wouldn't operate it - it would operate you.  I think this evaluates the "would you take the magic pill" question assuming the point of view of an Aspie. But if you were cured you would not be evaluating the results from an Aspie point of view anymore and your opinion may be very different. It's a bit like if you asked people "do you want to magically go back in time to when you were born and change to the opposite gender?" I bet the vast majority would say "no". But if you just did it to them without asking and then asked if they wanted to do the same again (to be changed back) they would also say no. |
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Rascal77s
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:50 am Post subject: |
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| Venger wrote: | | Rascal77s wrote: | | Venger wrote: | | Mentally retarded people are more likely to be a "race" because it affects the way they physically look especially their facial features. |
Why do I want to club a baby seal when I read your post? |
I don't actually think retarded people are a different race. My point was that if people with AS were a different race there would be distinguishing physical traits which there aren't.
The OP was implying that some people with aspergers on here act like they're part of a "superior race". |
My point is that not all people with cognitive impairment have DS and do not all look different physically. When you followed with this, "sounds pretty retarded", in a later post it kinda sealed (pun intended) the deal. I guess I shouldn't be surprised by this kind of thing on an ASD forum but it just seems really out of place. |
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 11:55 am Post subject: |
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What about people with "different" facial features and no retardation?
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| FMX wrote: | I agree with jonny23 - elitism is not productive, but making the most of what you have is. Is AS a disability, an advantage, just a difference or something else? That depends on the severity of it, the exact symptoms and, to some extent, on what the person makes of it. I also agree that people's natural tendency to want to belong to some group (which apparently isn't entirely missing even in Aspies!) probably explains why someone may want to be accepted as an Aspie. Or it could just be a case of wanting an identity - "if I'm not this, then what am I?"
| Sweetleaf wrote: | | For one I know how the brain I have works I probably would not know how to operate a neurotypical brain |
You wouldn't operate it - it would operate you. I think this evaluates the "would you take the magic pill" question assuming the point of view of an Aspie. But if you were cured you would not be evaluating the results from an Aspie point of view anymore and your opinion may be very different. It's a bit like if you asked people "do you want to magically go back in time to when you were born and change to the opposite gender?" I bet the vast majority would say "no". But if you just did it to them without asking and then asked if they wanted to do the same again (to be changed back) they would also say no. |
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fleurdelily
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| Posted: Tue May 22, 2012 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | Diamorphine wrote: | | "The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god. |
That's being too negative. |
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant
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| fleurdelily wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | Diamorphine wrote: | | "The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god. |
That's being too negative. |
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant |
This also brings up a point that has been on my mind for a while. Statistically it may be more likely that someone that is professionally diagnosed is more likely to have an accurate diagnosis than someone who has self diagnosed. But that does not mean that someone cannot accurately self diagnose. |
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| fleurdelily wrote: | | ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote: | | Diamorphine wrote: | | "The next step in human evolution" makes people with AS seem grandiose with a retardedly huge superiority complex. I'd rather be looked at as weird than a crazy ass schizo who thinks he's god. |
That's being too negative. |
um, no it isn't. I've agree with diamorphine completely. I've picked up the "you're not one of us if you're self-diagnosed" attitudes oozing from these forums. Believe me, I DEFINITLY do NOT want to be an aspie. So get over yourself. I have even witnessed a bit of aspie-as-bully in that attitude, right here on these forums. It's quite repugnant |
That post is repugnant, though, with terminology like "crazy ass schizo" and "retardedly huge superiority complex." In fact, ironically, I have noticed quite a few inferiority complexes on WP, including myself, more than I have superiority complexes. I haven't noticed anyone using that terminology toward the self diagnosed. Just questioning self diagnosis is not the same as insulting someone who is self diagnosed with derogatory terminology.
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