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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:12 am Post subject:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

I believe your answer is in Ezekiel 38 and 39. This event, known as the Magog Invasion has not occurred yet, but begins the rise of the antichrist. Magog is ancient Hebrew for Moscovy. Rus is self-evident.

Longshanks

It that the time rabbits start chewing their cud?

No, that's the time the rabbits start glowing in the dark.

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:17 am Post subject:

The spiral is not a defect, it is targeting. It becomes a platform to launch many remote warheads, each to a target. It stays on station and pinpoints it's targets. It was launched from Russian space, Caspien Sea, over Iran, the Persian Gulf, Syria, Jorden, to Isreal. Missile defense is close range, short range missiles, where ICBMs go to the edge of space. Incoming they are out of range, and the spiral is a tough target, and the independant warheads even tougher. Atomics work best detonated above the ground, A kilometer up gives a good spread when it hits the surface. That is beyond the range of a Patriot defense, which was made for surface to surface small missiles. A Star Wars defense is still fiction. The threat of an atomic attack on Iran is the same as the act. If you threaten someone with a gun, and get killed, you brought it on yourself. Now the armored choppers are making their way to Syria, and the experts who fought and destroyed the Chetnian Terrorists. In both cases Turkey has been the weapons pipeline. Turkey has threatened to invade Syria, has training camps for terrorists, supplies them weapons, They have in effect been fighting an undeclared war with all their neighbors, going back to the U2 flights. If the fighting spills over from Syria, hot persuit of the terrorists back to their bases, and Turkey acts, it is war. Syria has a very capable air force that has been held in ready. They could take out the Turkish war machine in days. The west has been trying to prod Iran into giving them a reason to attack, but Turkey has given Syria, Iran, and Russia a reason to attack. They all fly the same planes, Russian, have the same training, Russian, and there is no one around that could contest Turkish Air Space. Twenty percent of Turkey is Awadie it would not be hard to form a new government. That leaves the Saudis, well armed, do have an air force, flown by princes. Known trouble makers, that have hired gunmen and infidels to overthrow all other Arab governments. They are behind war on Saddam, Iran, Libya, Egypt, and with Dick Chaney, 9/11. They have a lot of land but few people, and most do not count, only the Royal Family. They behead women for talking back, keep slaves, and kiss George Bush. They will not be missed. Any idiot can start a war, and we have a list, Now that we are tired, broke, would be a good time for a broader war. The stage is set for an Awadie Wahabbi religious war, with friends and house guests. Across the north we have Russia, Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Liberated Turkey, Jorden, and in the south Sudan, Somalia, with the Saudis in the middle. Bahrain is the likely flash point. Now China is playing the Saudi game, they will finance the war because they want an oil supply. Russia wants an exclusive on the European market. Iran looks to export natural gas, worlds largest supplier, and become the regional electric company. Iraq wants the bombs to stop. Syria has 600,000 Christians from Iraq, and the largest Eastern Orthodox group outside of Russia. It is the last stand of Christians in the region. The people of the USA have lost 40% of their net worth, but still have 100% of their debt. 30% are obese, they lack education, and get their opinions from TV.

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:28 am Post subject:

Longshanks wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

It that the time rabbits start chewing their cud?

No, that's the time the rabbits start glowing in the dark.

Longshanks

Passage?

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:01 pm Post subject:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

It that the time rabbits start chewing their cud?

No, that's the time the rabbits start glowing in the dark.
Longshanks

Passage?

don't wait for NYC to get nuked before you start praying...

snapcap
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:10 pm Post subject:

johansen wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

It that the time rabbits start chewing their cud?

No, that's the time the rabbits start glowing in the dark.
Longshanks

Passage?

don't wait for NYC to get nuked before you start praying...

You're going to love your RFID tag. Mr Rockefeller said you would.

Who will the bomb come from? Our enemies or our "enemies"?
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:58 pm Post subject:

Soros says he wants it in the forehead because someone could lose their arm. I don't know, other than to say more than a few people are saying they have to nuke a couple cities to get the ball rolling. maybe nuke the capital building on October 31st, then declare martial law and lauch wwIII against iran; russia, china, israel join in first, you get the idea. why october 31? the same reason the pentagon and the towers got hit on 9/11.. the same date as their ground breaking/cornerstone laying masonic rituals... but specifically they are saying NYC and Rome get hit, not the Whitehouse. but it makes more sense to me to hit the whitehouse, not NYC, or maybe all three.

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:10 pm Post subject:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

It that the time rabbits start chewing their cud?

No, that's the time the rabbits start glowing in the dark.

Longshanks

Passage?

This battle is way too involved for one single passage. Both chapters cover it all in detail.

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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:29 pm Post subject:

All I can think of is... if a lone programmer with the adequate amount of knowledge can create good viruses, what kind of things is a government- backed team able to accomplish? _________________ Verily I have often laughed at weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws. - Nietzsche

Longshanks
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:41 pm Post subject:

snapcap wrote:

johansen wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

snapcap wrote:

Longshanks wrote:

It that the time rabbits start chewing their cud?

No, that's the time the rabbits start glowing in the dark.
Longshanks

Passage?

don't wait for NYC to get nuked before you start praying...

You're going to love your RFID tag. Mr Rockefeller said you would.

Who will the bomb come from? Our enemies or our "enemies"?

That is a very involved question - in short multiple nations. At length, the nations identified are as follows (Please note that the table of nations may get confusing. It took me a while to get the hang of this.):

Nations listed: Ezek 38:1-6

Magog = Moskovy
Rosh = Russia
Meshech = Turkey
Tubal = Tbilsi (a city in what was the USSR)
Persia = Iran
Ethiopia = same
Put = Lybia
Gomer = Germany
Beth-togarmah (that part of Turkey near the Syrian Border.

Reason - to capture spoil and land (Ezek. 38:11-12) Suppostion - massive natural gas sources recently discovered also indicate the possibility of oil

Sheba (Saudi Arabia) and Dedan (Spain) will protest (Ezek. 38:13 - 14)

The invasion begins (Ezek. 38:15 - 16)

Conventional and nuclear warfare (Ezek. 38:22)

Not only will the invading armies be destroyed, but their homelands as well (Ezek. 39:1 thru verse 8 )

The power of the weapons remaining is enough to provide Israel power for the next seven years (Ezek. 39:9-10)

Burying the dead will take seven months (Ezek. 39:11-12)

Specialists will be hired to finish the work of removing any remains and ordinary people will help (Ezek. 39: 14-15)

A center or town will be set up to house those involved in the clean-up (Ezek. 39:16)

That is a "general" explanation. I can get much more detailed. It's been a while since I attended seminary. I was there for a year. Had a 4.0 average, but discovered that I wasn't cut out for the clergy. But my faith is still strong. I don't believe in pushing my faith on anyone. But I see no reason to hide it either. It is what it is.

Longshanks
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:53 pm Post subject:

Inventor wrote:

The spiral is not a defect, it is targeting. It becomes a platform to launch many remote warheads, each to a target. It stays on station and pinpoints it's targets.

It was launched from Russian space, Caspien Sea, over Iran, the Persian Gulf, Syria, Jorden, to Isreal.

Missile defense is close range, short range missiles, where ICBMs go to the edge of space. Incoming they are out of range, and the spiral is a tough target, and the independant warheads even tougher.

Atomics work best detonated above the ground, A kilometer up gives a good spread when it hits the surface. That is beyond the range of a Patriot defense, which was made for surface to surface small missiles.

A Star Wars defense is still fiction.

The threat of an atomic attack on Iran is the same as the act. If you threaten someone with a gun, and get killed, you brought it on yourself.

Now the armored choppers are making their way to Syria, and the experts who fought and destroyed the Chetnian Terrorists. In both cases Turkey has been the weapons pipeline. Turkey has threatened to invade Syria, has training camps for terrorists, supplies them weapons,

They have in effect been fighting an undeclared war with all their neighbors, going back to the U2 flights. If the fighting spills over from Syria, hot persuit of the terrorists back to their bases, and Turkey acts, it is war.

Syria has a very capable air force that has been held in ready. They could take out the Turkish war machine in days.

The west has been trying to prod Iran into giving them a reason to attack, but Turkey has given Syria, Iran, and Russia a reason to attack. They all fly the same planes, Russian, have the same training, Russian, and there is no one around that could contest Turkish Air Space.

Twenty percent of Turkey is Awadie it would not be hard to form a new government.

That leaves the Saudis, well armed, do have an air force, flown by princes. Known trouble makers, that have hired gunmen and infidels to overthrow all other Arab governments. They are behind war on Saddam, Iran, Libya, Egypt, and with Dick Chaney, 9/11. They have a lot of land but few people, and most do not count, only the Royal Family.

They behead women for talking back, keep slaves, and kiss George Bush.

They will not be missed.

Any idiot can start a war, and we have a list, Now that we are tired, broke, would be a good time for a broader war. The stage is set for an Awadie Wahabbi religious war, with friends and house guests.

Across the north we have Russia, Afganistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Liberated Turkey, Jorden, and in the south Sudan, Somalia, with the Saudis in the middle. Bahrain is the likely flash point.

Now China is playing the Saudi game, they will finance the war because they want an oil supply. Russia wants an exclusive on the European market. Iran looks to export natural gas, worlds largest supplier, and become the regional electric company. Iraq wants the bombs to stop. Syria has 600,000 Christians from Iraq, and the largest Eastern Orthodox group outside of Russia. It is the last stand of Christians in the region.

The people of the USA have lost 40% of their net worth, but still have 100% of their debt. 30% are obese, they lack education, and get their opinions from TV.

My latest post on Ezekiel may be of interest to you in light of what you have posted. I could be wrong, but I believe that you are on the same track as Ezekiel was.

Longshanks
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johansen
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:54 pm Post subject:

Shatbat wrote:

All I can think of is... if a lone programmer with the adequate amount of knowledge can create good viruses, what kind of things is a government- backed team able to accomplish?

stux and flame are more than just a good virus.
they used up 4 previously unknown privilege escalating vulnerabilities in windows for stux.
those vulnerabilities have been patched since then.
they would have been worth at least 100 grand each on the black/grey market.

additionally, none of the commercially available antivirus software could find Flame up until a couple months ago

jackbus01
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:24 pm Post subject:

Inuyasha wrote:

I don't think this information should have been released to the general public. Seriously if this was designed to wreck the Iranian Nuke Program, and if it was working, I consider it to be preferable to using conventional bombs dropped from aircraft and resulting loss of life from those weapons.

It wasn't exactly released to the general public. The news media found out about it from Russian security experts. In this day and age news has a way of making itself public whether the government wants it to or not.

jackbus01
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Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:32 pm Post subject:

johansen wrote:

and today we find out that Flame used 2009 era stux code.

nothing to see here...

Actually there is! This is a military-grade cyberweapon. It is pretty typical for the public to find out about military technologies way after the fact. 2009 is only 3 years ago--not current but not obsolete either. All the details about this will be declassified at some point, you just have to wait about 25 years or so.

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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:37 am Post subject:

I thought Zeke was warning them that they could not fight the world. Egypt and Babalon were left out, The Germans lived north of the Black Sea, the big money was at the mouth of the Red Sea, Punt, Somalia and Sheba, Yemen. The Rus do not show up for several thousand years, and Moscow dates from hardly a thousand years ago. Kiev is much older. Spain was Phonician, Tbilsi had been the birthplace of wine making for 10,000 years. Georgia, Kura Valley, Turkey was Hittite. Seven years to bury the dead? Why bother. Zeke had never heard of China. Yea right, the world will deliver, they will all get slaughtered, and for your victory party you can haul out the dead for seven years. I thought he was being sarcastic. Back to practical warfare, we are not talking your grandfathers bombs, we are talking turning the surface into a greenish glass. I chose not to base current events on religious myth. I also do not listen to governments. They think a little, and never think it through, starting a civil war in Syria will fail, When it does Turkey will fall. The road to Egypt used to be big time, everyone did go through there, but it is nothing now. The world moves around oil, and the Persian Gulf is the prize. We would defend Turkey the same as Georgia, we would do nothing.

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Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:52 am Post subject:

Whenever I see something like this, I wonder when the first operating systems will be available that are truly, in a logically rigorous manner, protected against intrusion from networks and remote storage devices. This will require the situation to get bad enough that the market forces lead to prioritizing security at least as much as other concerns. I see no reason why virus are not one of the few forms of attack that are absolutely defensible against. A physical wall will only hold out until a massive enough bomb or form of artillery is designed that can break it. Whereas, it's possible in theory to create an operating system where critical parts of the code are non-editable except by someone with physical possession of the machine, and where these critical parts in turn rigorously enforce information flow between the others such that running applications cannot be modified without their "consent". A side benefit would likely be streamlining--there would be a reduction and capping of the potential set of calls to the OS that could ever be made by applications, such that a bare-minimum set would be found. As Turing showed, universality of function is often possible in a far smaller set of possible commands than one would think. This of course leaves human error (i.e. "social engineering"--if you can convince a human to actively install a malicious program, then no programming feature can prevent that without also preventing that human from installing desired software.

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