btbnnyr
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| I B confuse. What is this "rare, high-functioning form of Asperger's"? |
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Rascal77s
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Let this be a lesson to you guys: Never kill anyone unless you have empathy.
I'd like to also point out that if my mothers name were Wench I would probably be a little pissed too.
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jonny23
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:52 pm Post subject: |
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| btbnnyr wrote: | | I B confuse. What is this "rare, high-functioning form of Asperger's"? |
Must be the form that makes you a murderer |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Breivik's violent acts could also be the result of a version of Tourette's syndrome, which is associated with Asperger's. |
Huh. If my memory serves correctly, the Tourette's community has been protesting for years against similar questionable claims of that clinically significant outbursts of aggression and rage attacks are a symptom of TS or directly connected to the disorder itself.
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Dillogic
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Narcissistic PD and AS doesn't make for a good combination (about as bad as Antisocial PD and AS). |
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SomethingWitty
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Way to perpetuate the stereotype that all aspies are unfeeling potential killers  (my friend said this is what most NTs thought the other day  ) Why does the media have to imply that his aspergers has something to do with his killings? He probably has a whole host of other problems that have contributed to his killings. Aspergers has NOTHING to do with it! 'Incapable of empathy or real friendship'? ARGHHH! |
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Dillogic
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:37 pm Post subject: |
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Well, certain parts of AS do predispose a person to lacking an empathetic connection to people, which in turn can lead said person to easily dehumanize them.
AS is only part of it though, as you need other emotional and social deficits in place (NPD will do the trick there).
(It's along the same lines as people with an ASD having a greater emotional bond for animals over humans, for example, and this is on the other end.) |
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antonblock
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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what a sh**!
... this had to happen... its always the same sh**!
.... nothing seems to change... 
according to my opinion he is a clear attention seeker... Narcisstic Personality Disorder.... ... and AS is something very different.
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deltafunction
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| Dillogic wrote: | Well, certain parts of AS do predispose a person to lacking an empathetic connection to people, which in turn can lead said person to easily dehumanize them.
AS is only part of it though, as you need other emotional and social deficits in place (NPD will do the trick there).
(It's along the same lines as people with an ASD having a greater emotional bond for animals over humans, for example, and this is on the other end.) |
I'd love to see the rare killer who stops to take care of the animals
I'm sad that when someone is a serial killer, people like to blame a lack of empathy, then suspect AS. I wish I could say that it is not possible for killers to have AS, though, but you have a point there. But I feel that it is worse that the press is reporting on his diagnosis of Asperger's, since he misrepresents the community. Not all aspies lack empathy, just express it differently (and if they do lack empathy, it does not mean they will go on a killing rampage).
Just think of how many fictional villains could be portrayed as having a sort of personality type that looks like AS. By the way, NPD does seem similar to AS in terms of some of the symptoms, though.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-goulston-md/just-listen---dont-confus_b_316169.html
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 7:04 pm Post subject: |
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| SomethingWitty wrote: | | Way to perpetuate the stereotype that all aspies are unfeeling potential killers (my friend said this is what most NTs thought the other day ) Why does the media have to imply that his aspergers has something to do with his killings? He probably has a whole host of other problems that have contributed to his killings. Aspergers has NOTHING to do with it! 'Incapable of empathy or real friendship'? ARGHHH! |
I agree. Back in 2003 when Volker tvan der Graaf was presecutred for hte killing of Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn, a psychiatrist stood up and "diagnosed" Van der Graaf with Asperger's via the media. The Pieter Baan Center (forensic psych assessment center) said that he didn't have it because he had a sense of humor and was very loving towards his girlfriend and child.
While I tend to feel tha tno murderer can be "normal", I do not feel murders need a psychiatric label unless it's obvious they have this disorder, and it should rarely be assumed that hte disorder causes the crime. While I am all for treatment of criminals as humans, and not mere punishment, the mental illness community doesn't need the stimga of having every singel criminal labeled as part of them. |
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Rascal77s
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deltafunction
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| ChangelingGirl wrote: | | While I tend to feel tha tno murderer can be "normal", I do not feel murders need a psychiatric label unless it's obvious they have this disorder, and it should rarely be assumed that hte disorder causes the crime. While I am all for treatment of criminals as humans, and not mere punishment, the mental illness community doesn't need the stimga of having every singel criminal labeled as part of them. |
Exactly! AS in any form should not excuse that behavior, as his cognitive abilities and judgement are not affected. So I do not see how diagnosing him with AS during the trial would make any difference.
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Dillogic
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2012 8:36 pm Post subject: |
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As an aside, he was a very bad person who did a very bad thing.
That's all that matters in the end (as well as justice). |
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It's important to note he hasn't been officially diagnosed, though. The professor who made the "diagnosis" has never even talked to him, only read through the two official reports (which contradict each other, one saying he has paranoid schizophrenia, the other narcissistic and anti-social personality disorders), and observed him during the trial. He gave his conclusion during a testimony in court, so it is nowhere near a diagnosis or even an official report; it's merely a reinterpretation of existing reports and additional analysis of the defendant's behavior in court.
The psychiatrists responsible for the reports also didn't test him properly for autism, as he allegedly recognized the tests (AQ and one more). That said, I wouldn't be overly surprised if today's "remote diagnosis" by the professor was correct, and I wouldn't care. The fact that he selectively refused to cooperate when it came to autism assessment sort of puzzled me, and the fact that the psychiatrists just went along with it even more. I am however fed up by the amount of psychiatrists, psychologists, historians, philosophers, criminologists and philologists who diagnose or un-diagnose without even having talked to the guy, flouting their title to defend their unqualified conclusions. Being a professor apparently gives authority to conclude within any field, however unrelated to one's own...
At least the professor who gave this testimony emphasized that (semi-quote) 99.99% of aspies aren't criminals (it's sad that it's necessary for a professional to even mention this). Better than the Swedish criminologist who made the same diagnosis from media coverage only, just to claim mostly every serial killer he knew of also had AS... Way to go. |
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I thought scientific opinion had got to the point where it was now agreed that affective empathy and cognitive empathy were two very different things and that autism and psychopaths were opposites of each other in this regard.
Aspies are very capable of feeling sympathy, as many posts on this site and others will demonstrate and that is what he is lacking making him a psychopath. |
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