Longshanks
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | Please educate me then. Show me where Hitler was anti-secularist. I've read Mein Kampf. Hitler struck me as being one of the most secular people that I have ever read.
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You read Mein Kampf and it came across as secular to you? That being the case, I doubt *anything*, even a quote from the man himself, would convince you otherwise. You have already demonstrated the willingness to extrapolate severe conclusions from incomplete data, instead relying on your various background claims to attempt to establish any credibility. In other words: you aren't getting any help from me, pal. Help yourself. The evidence is all out there, especially in Mein Kampf, which I sincerely doubt you have read |
The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.
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| Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Longshanks wrote: | The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.
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What, you can deal but can't take? There isn't really anything snide about pointing out your repeatedly used debate tactic of utilizing appeal to authority. As for sources, Mein Kampf, the book you claimed to have read and obviously haven't
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Not really he used religion as a weapon |
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| Adolf Hitler wrote: | We Will Fight the Atheistic Movement
We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933 |
| Adolf Hitler wrote: | Secular Schools Cannot be Tolerated
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.
April 26, 1933, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant |
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| Joker wrote: |
Not really he used religion as a weapon |
Well, doesn't everybody? |
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | | Joker wrote: |
Not really he used religion as a weapon |
Well, doesn't everybody? |
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Some tidbits from Deepak Chopra
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1018104,00.html
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SHOULD THE DEATHS OF MORE THAN 150,000 PEOPLE FROM THE TSUNAMI AFFECT OUR IMAGE OF GOD? Actually, our image of God is outmoded anyway, whether the tsunami occurs or not. Religion has become divisive, quarrelsome and idiotic. Religion is the reason we have all this conflict in the world. We have squeezed God into the volume of a body and the span of a lifetime; given God a male identity, an ethnic background; made him a tribal chief and gone to war. Yet people are not ready to forsake their image of God.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE GOD IS A WOMAN? I think God is more likely to be a woman because women are nurturing and caring and loving. The human male has become the most predatory animal on our planet. It's time that we embrace the feminine face of God.
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| ArrantPariah wrote: | Some tidbits from Deepak Chopra
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1018104,00.html
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SHOULD THE DEATHS OF MORE THAN 150,000 PEOPLE FROM THE TSUNAMI AFFECT OUR IMAGE OF GOD? Actually, our image of God is outmoded anyway, whether the tsunami occurs or not. Religion has become divisive, quarrelsome and idiotic. Religion is the reason we have all this conflict in the world. We have squeezed God into the volume of a body and the span of a lifetime; given God a male identity, an ethnic background; made him a tribal chief and gone to war. Yet people are not ready to forsake their image of God.
WHY DO YOU BELIEVE GOD IS A WOMAN? I think God is more likely to be a woman because women are nurturing and caring and loving. The human male has become the most predatory animal on our planet. It's time that we embrace the feminine face of God.
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Their would still be conflict in the world if their was no religion. |
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Longshanks
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.
Longshanks |
What, you can deal but can't take? There isn't really anything snide about pointing out your repeatedly used debate tactic of utilizing appeal to authority. As for sources, Mein Kampf, the book you claimed to have read and obviously haven't |
No, I just happened to have known Gertrude Junge, who was Hitler's personal secretary once upon a time. She told me many things. And I've read other sources and taken a few history courses in college. Now then, little boy, you made a statment: Hitler was anti-secular. Prove it! Put up or shut up! The snide remarks only make you look like an idiot because they prove nothing. Prove your statement!
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Adolf Hitler wrote: | We Will Fight the Atheistic Movement
We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933 |
| Adolf Hitler wrote: | Secular Schools Cannot be Tolerated
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.
April 26, 1933, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant |
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Hey Longshanks - if you engage in the fine and noble art of READING, you might find these posted above by Vigilans.
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| Longshanks wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.
Longshanks |
What, you can deal but can't take? There isn't really anything snide about pointing out your repeatedly used debate tactic of utilizing appeal to authority. As for sources, Mein Kampf, the book you claimed to have read and obviously haven't |
No, I just happened to have known Gertrude Junge, who was Hitler's personal secretary once upon a time. She told me many things. And I've read other sources and taken a few history courses in college. Now then, little boy, you made a statment: Hitler was anti-secular. Prove it! Put up or shut up! The snide remarks only make you look like an idiot because they prove nothing. Prove your statement!
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please show us your sources then,
actual independantly verified sources.
even hitler could, over time have deluded himself to think anything, just as any other person can, including his secretary.(not that that means i actually believe that little story of yours, pics or it didnt happen as it were )
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| Longshanks wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.
Longshanks |
What, you can deal but can't take? There isn't really anything snide about pointing out your repeatedly used debate tactic of utilizing appeal to authority. As for sources, Mein Kampf, the book you claimed to have read and obviously haven't |
No, I just happened to have known Gertrude Junge, who was Hitler's personal secretary once upon a time. She told me many things. And I've read other sources and taken a few history courses in college. Now then, little boy, you made a statment: Hitler was anti-secular. Prove it! Put up or shut up! The snide remarks only make you look like an idiot because they prove nothing. Prove your statement!
Longshanks |
I already posted some remarks from Hitler you half-wit bigot liar, I suggest you read above
"I knew Gertrude Junge" Yeah? I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell you
Stop with the appeals to authority, they are completely meaningless and just expose how much of a bullshitter you are. Nobody here has any way to verify what you're saying, which is exactly why you choose to debate in that fashion. You have no substance, your points all rely on "Well I knew so and so" "I worked in the DoD" "Hitler was my home boy". You ask for sources yet you provide none, other than yourself, which is not a verifiable source, or a credible one for that matter.
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Longshanks
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| Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.
Longshanks |
What, you can deal but can't take? There isn't really anything snide about pointing out your repeatedly used debate tactic of utilizing appeal to authority. As for sources, Mein Kampf, the book you claimed to have read and obviously haven't |
No, I just happened to have known Gertrude Junge, who was Hitler's personal secretary once upon a time. She told me many things. And I've read other sources and taken a few history courses in college. Now then, little boy, you made a statment: Hitler was anti-secular. Prove it! Put up or shut up! The snide remarks only make you look like an idiot because they prove nothing. Prove your statement!
Longshanks |
I already posted some remarks from Hitler you half-wit bigot liar, I suggest you read above
"I knew Gertrude Junge" Yeah? I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell you
Stop with the appeals to authority, they are completely meaningless and just expose how much of a bullshitter you are. Nobody here has any way to verify what you're saying, which is exactly why you choose to debate in that fashion. You have no substance, your points all rely on "Well I knew so and so" "I worked in the DoD" "Hitler was my home boy". You ask for sources yet you provide none, other than yourself, which is not a verifiable source, or a credible one for that matter. |
Hey - you brought it up. And I don't give a dung heap what you believe or don't believe. I knew Gertrude through her great-niece, who I dated while in college. But here are some quotes for you to read:
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." Hitler quoted by Heiden, Konrad (1935). A History of National Socialism. A.A. Knopf, Page 100.
"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity." Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. New York: Engima Books, p. 343.
So Hitler wasn't a Christian either. And one last thing: Your inflamitory remarks and name-calling above only prove my point about you - you are a two-year old little boy in a man's body who sucks his thumb and still needs to have his diapers changed by his mama.
Have a nice life, Vigilans.
Longshanks
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ArrantPariah
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| Longshanks wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | | Vigilans wrote: | | Longshanks wrote: | The snide remarks are just that: snide remarks. They do not answer the call of the question. I will ask again: What proof do you have that Hitler was anti-secularist. Cite your proof and your sources.
Longshanks |
What, you can deal but can't take? There isn't really anything snide about pointing out your repeatedly used debate tactic of utilizing appeal to authority. As for sources, Mein Kampf, the book you claimed to have read and obviously haven't |
No, I just happened to have known Gertrude Junge, who was Hitler's personal secretary once upon a time. She told me many things. And I've read other sources and taken a few history courses in college. Now then, little boy, you made a statment: Hitler was anti-secular. Prove it! Put up or shut up! The snide remarks only make you look like an idiot because they prove nothing. Prove your statement!
Longshanks |
I already posted some remarks from Hitler you half-wit bigot liar, I suggest you read above
"I knew Gertrude Junge" Yeah? I have a Brooklyn bridge to sell you
Stop with the appeals to authority, they are completely meaningless and just expose how much of a bullshitter you are. Nobody here has any way to verify what you're saying, which is exactly why you choose to debate in that fashion. You have no substance, your points all rely on "Well I knew so and so" "I worked in the DoD" "Hitler was my home boy". You ask for sources yet you provide none, other than yourself, which is not a verifiable source, or a credible one for that matter. |
Hey - you brought it up. And I don't give a dung heap what you believe or don't believe. I knew Gertrude through her great-niece, who I dated while in college. But here are some quotes for you to read:
"We do not want any other god than Germany itself. It is essential to have fanatical faith and hope and love in and for Germany." Hitler quoted by Heiden, Konrad (1935). A History of National Socialism. A.A. Knopf, Page 100.
"Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity." Trevor-Roper, Hugh, ed. (2000). Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944. Trans. Norman Cameron and R. H. Stevens. New York: Engima Books, p. 343.
So Hitler wasn't a Christian either. And one last thing: Your inflamitory remarks and name-calling above only prove my point about you - you are a two-year old little boy in a man's body who sucks his thumb and still needs to have his diapers changed by his mama.
Have a nice life, Vigilans.
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Very clever retort. And, you've proved my point: that you are no Christian.
By the way, two-year-olds can't type. So, Vigilans must be older than 2. |
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