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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 12:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't prove it but I think creationism is much weaker on the internet than it was 15 years ago. A decade or more of being humiliated seems to have tempered the urge.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cornflake wrote:
Joker has been banned from WP because of his persistent trolling and disruptive behaviour.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

simon_says wrote:
I can't prove it but I think creationism is much weaker on the internet than it was 15 years ago. A decade or more of being humiliated seems to have tempered the urge.


Well, the best they can do now these days is troll threads critical of their beliefs in the hope they will get locked so the discussion cannot even take place, so you may be right
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its pretty hard to find creatonists offline now.

I was discussing the whole thing with a extremely active theist(an archeologist doing his thesis on how some things represented on the bible were also described by some other cultures that were what we would describe as pagan now) and when I asked him about the possible conflict between his faith and his work his only reply was that he put his faith aside when it came to work and the part of the bible that describes how the universe started is just a tale to him.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They are still there according to polls. And they still regularly try to attack science education standards in various red states. But I think they are less likely to expose their views when outnumbered, as they often are on the internet.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vigilans wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Joker has been banned from WP because of his persistent trolling and disruptive behaviour.


He'll be back, don't you worry Razz


I actually liked the guy. Sad

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 5:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

spongy wrote:
Its pretty hard to find creatonists offline now.

I was discussing the whole thing with a extremely active theist(an archeologist doing his thesis on how some things represented on the bible were also described by some other cultures that were what we would describe as pagan now) and when I asked him about the possible conflict between his faith and his work his only reply was that he put his faith aside when it came to work and the part of the bible that describes how the universe started is just a tale to him.


It seems like believers in theistic evolution probably outnumber the creationists. But they are not driven the way creationists are to promote this. I wonder if your colleague will eventually abandon theism

simon_says wrote:
They are still there according to polls. And they still regularly try to attack science education standards in various red states. But I think they are less likely to expose their views when outnumbered, as they often are on the internet.


Scientific theories go through a rigorous process just to get into textbooks. Why Creationists think they are immune to this scrutiny is beyond me. Its like they want to play life with the Godmode cheat on. Literally

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Vigilans wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Joker has been banned from WP because of his persistent trolling and disruptive behaviour.


He'll be back, don't you worry Razz


I actually liked the guy. Sad

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


Well, he made his choices. I didn't expect him to get banned for what he did here but it was apparently the last warning in a long list of warnings
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 6:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How about, "I assume you are unemployed, and therefore wrong"?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/07/08/intelligent-design-crowd-whines-about-wikipedia-censorship/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vigilans wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Joker has been banned from WP because of his persistent trolling and disruptive behaviour.


He'll be back, don't you worry Razz


Is this a prophecy of the second coming of Joker? Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vexcalibur wrote:
How about, "I assume you are unemployed, and therefore wrong"?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/friendlyatheist/2012/07/08/intelligent-design-crowd-whines-about-wikipedia-censorship/


Oh lordy. "We can't vandalize Wikipedia with our religious beliefs, therefore censorship!!!"

They have Conservapedia to circle jerk around, I wonder how they would deal with edits to their material
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Start over.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

On the video...

Counter-argument 4 is actually a fallacy. Basically, it says "the human eye is less complex than that of the horned owl. therefore God can't have created either because humans are his children, and would not have favoured other species". This doesn't adress the issue of complexity itself.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

enrico_dandolo wrote:
On the video...

Counter-argument 4 is actually a fallacy. Basically, it says "the human eye is less complex than that of the horned owl. therefore God can't have created either because humans are his children, and would not have favored other species". This doesn't dress the issue of complexity itself.


I would not say that is the center of that counter-argument. They do elaborate quite well on the different types of more primitive sensors that are analogues to the various stages in ocular evolution. That last part about the eyes of octopi and horned owls seem more to have been a jab at the Christian view of the inherent superiority of man to all animals as God's "chosen". Biologically this is obviously not true
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lord_Gareth wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Joker has been banned from WP because of his persistent trolling and disruptive behaviour.


THANK YOU.
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I've been seeing some more mod presence lately. It's good to know PPR is being cleaned up...
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

AceOfSpades wrote:
Lord_Gareth wrote:
Cornflake wrote:
Joker has been banned from WP because of his persistent trolling and disruptive behaviour.


THANK YOU.
+1

I've been seeing some more mod presence lately. It's good to know PPR is being cleaned up...


I sometimes think this subforum could probably use its own dedicated moderator or some lesser, special rank created for the purpose
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