27 Jul 2012, 9:35 am
27 Jul 2012, 1:53 pm
01001011 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
What do you think would have happened to this woman and her baby if she didn't have a gun to protect herself?
A pepper spray would probably be enough to stop the intruder. A Molotov cocktail would be more interesting.
but seriously I dont think she would simply have molotov cocktails lying around let alone know how to make one "not saying women do not know how to make one just this particular woman". If she was trained in the arts of Taekwondo Kung Foo Karate or Thai Kickboxing it would suffice or have a Katana, and kill him kill bill style otherwise she best stick with a gun.Its not really just guns that kill people its the people behind the guns that kill people. The origional purpose to have a gun is to defend yourself from people with murderous intent unfortunately people with murderous intent use them as well to rob, rape and kill others, if guns were illegal it would not stop these people from having guns they would simply obtain the guns illegally and still go after the innocent people who would not have guns *because guns are illegal* and rob, rape, or murder them and the people wouldnt beable to defend themselves, sure they could call the cops but the invader would either unplug the phone cord or kill the person before the cops arrive!
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27 Jul 2012, 1:55 pm
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A gun ban would drive up the prices and put them in the same class (illegal) as bombs. Difference is that bombs are easier to fabricate at home. Explosives can be made. I've known a few people that have made black powder from scratch and according to them it worked just fine. How do you think the early settlers got their gun powder, from DuPont?
Go ahead. Even you admit how difficult and and dangerous the operation is.
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Illegal guns is a very board term. That includes legal guns that are stolen or illegally transferred, guns built from surplus parts. These won't exist without legal guns to begin with. Moreover, where do the bullets come from? How can our Mr. Bad Guy practice his shooting skill?
You apparently have no clue as to how many guns are already in the hands of the public not to mention literally trainloads of ammo and magazines. Making them illegal does not make then go away it just drives the value of them UP.
And less criminal and wanna-be active shooters can afford them. How much a kilo of TNT and a working detonator cost again?
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Gun laws are not as lax in Switzerland as some would like to believe. The fact is, though, that damn near every male of military age and some females have in their possession an StG-90 assault rifle with ammo so the populace is well armed none-the-less.
Ammunition is available on the civilian market and is issued to military personnel for practice and competition.
Ammunition is available on the civilian market and is issued to military personnel for practice and competition.
From Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politi ... witzerland
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Up until October 2007, a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm) was issued as well, which was sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use had taken place.[4] The ammunition was intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.
In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still have ammunition stored at home today.
In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still have ammunition stored at home today.
Fail.
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PS: There has never been a gun control thread here where anyone from the anti-gun side has come to the table with a valid argument and it looks like you won't be the first.
Exactly what valid argument pro gun people bring to the table? We are Americans (TM) and we like it.
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We like to assume that the gun owner is innocent (like 99.9% of us are) until proven guilty.
Regardless of any arguments you try to make, you're simply just not going to get rid of firearms in America through passing tougher laws and making them less available or even banned entirely from the open market. Cocaine, Heroine, and Meth are substances that are illegal and generally unavailable. You can't just walk into a drug store and buy them OTC, nor is it likely just anyone is going to go to a doctor's office and get a prescription for them. The fact is that meth manufacture has been driven underground while cocaine and heroine have to be smuggled in. Criminals don't care that the laws are tougher or that it has become more difficult to smuggle illegal drugs. They just find new ways to hide their activities more effectively.
All gun laws will do is keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding citizens.
What you really want to do to eliminate firearms is to just stop manufacturing them. Just simply don't make any more. Same goes for ammo and maintenance supplies. Gun components take some time to break down once maintenance ceases, but a gun is no good without ammunition. Then what are people going to do? Throw guns at each other?
I'd predict you'd end up with a black market for ammo precursors. Eventually you'll end up with a situation in which people take shots at each other with improvised, match-lock muzzle-loaders. Can you imagine the hilarity of a gang-related drive-by shooting using muskets?
27 Jul 2012, 1:57 pm
27 Jul 2012, 4:34 pm
27 Jul 2012, 4:38 pm
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I hate people who carry guns in general. Not because they carry guns...but because they are the kinds of people who carry guns. They are jerks. Way too many of them are freaking dips**t conservatives. I think that we ought to make a practice of slapping them whenever we see them. I don't care if a civilized, intelligent human being carries a gun; it's fine by me, really. My husband even keeps one in the trunk when we travel as a sort of security blanket. I just think they are in the minority among those that do.
If you are one of those NRA jackasses, they don't want to take away your guns because they don't like guns. They want to take away your guns because you are an obnoxious jerk. You make people want to punch you really hard in the head.
If you are one of those NRA jackasses, they don't want to take away your guns because they don't like guns. They want to take away your guns because you are an obnoxious jerk. You make people want to punch you really hard in the head.
For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
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27 Jul 2012, 7:10 pm
27 Jul 2012, 7:15 pm
01001011 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
What do you think would have happened to this woman and her baby if she didn't have a gun to protect herself?
A pepper spray would probably be enough to stop the intruder. A Molotov cocktail would be more interesting.
Anybody with even basic military training or police training will have been pepper sprayed or CS gassed on multiple occasions, I can tell you from personal experience that pepper spraying me in the face will not deter me in the slightest from beating you to death with a blunt spoon, but it might piss me off a lot and make me cry.
If you don't believe me go try it some time, charge at some armed with pepper spray while you have a knife or club, sure you will cry a bit but they will be dead, that is rather a big difference.
28 Jul 2012, 7:41 am
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For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
I would love to take away your guns. I would love to strap you to a fat tree trunk, with a corn cob shoved up your butt halfway and your eye-lids stapled open, and force you to watch while I destroyed every gun you have. Nothing in the world would so fill me with joy. Not because I think it's dangerous for people to have guns but because I find you and most of the NRA gun freaks I have ever encountered to be incredibly offensive.
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28 Jul 2012, 8:49 am
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01001011 wrote:
AspieOtaku wrote:
What do you think would have happened to this woman and her baby if she didn't have a gun to protect herself?
A pepper spray would probably be enough to stop the intruder. A Molotov cocktail would be more interesting.
Anybody with even basic military training or police training will have been pepper sprayed or CS gassed on multiple occasions, I can tell you from personal experience that pepper spraying me in the face will not deter me in the slightest from beating you to death with a blunt spoon, but it might piss me off a lot and make me cry.
If you don't believe me go try it some time, charge at some armed with pepper spray while you have a knife or club, sure you will cry a bit but they will be dead, that is rather a big difference.
My wife made the mistake once of trying to be really sweet to me and handed me an uncapped bottle of Tabasco so I could directly apply it to my food without worrying with the cap. As is my habit, I started shaking the bottle not noticing the cap was gone. It immediately covered my face and my eyes. Sh!t hurts.
In the other thread about guns, I posted my favorite gun quote. It comes from the movie "Death Proof," but I think I've heard something similar in a comedy routine once and I can't seem to find it. I love how Kim responds to her friend's suggestion that she use pepper spray instead of a gun.
28 Jul 2012, 10:12 am
WilliamWDelaney wrote:
Raptor wrote:
For a while there you had become civil and rational but I see that period in time has passed.
I would love to take away your guns. I would love to strap you to a fat tree trunk, with a corn cob shoved up your butt halfway and your eye-lids stapled open, and force you to watch while I destroyed every gun you have. Nothing in the world would so fill me with joy. Not because I think it's dangerous for people to have guns but because I find you and most of the NRA gun freaks I have ever encountered to be incredibly offensive.I find it strange that there never seems to be a moderator around when you go off on one of you're tirades.
Oh well, good luck surviving the attempt to carry out your fantasy.
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