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DataSage
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Location: DeLand, Florida
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^That's right Mystic, and I'll be elaborating on that much more as I get into the steady dating aspect of seduction.
And yeah, it doesn't matter if girls come in here and endorse or slam this guide, because everything that I'm talking about here appeals to their subconcious needs and desires. Girls will always say they want a "nice" guy, but closer observation and some social common sense really tell us otherwise. As aggravating as it is, it's not their fault... they're just hardwired that way, and we as males have to deal with it whether we like it or not.
I know I've promised you guys an update, and it will be coming soon! I've been swamped with finals and papers this week, so once my break rolls around, I can get cracking on this stuff again. |
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4lex
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Joined: Dec 12, 2006
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Location: San Diego, CA
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 4:13 pm Post subject: Posting late... |
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I am not sure it matters at this point, but let me second some of what was said; it's about approaching women, being yourself, being comfortable, and leaving them wanting more. When I first read this guide I saw nothing wrong or dishonest, and nothing encouraging men to be wrong or dishonest, and was frankly surprised at the vehement responses. I believe that proves the point that 2/3rds of what we see exists behind the eyes. People are viewing the material having already reacted to the title "alpha-male" and no longer seeing any possibility of good from it.
Here's some free advice; CHILL OUT, IGNORE THE PART THAT SAYS ALPHA MALE, LOOK AT IT AS A GUIDE TO MAKING A POSITIVE (AND GENUINE) FIRST IMPRESSION, and then read it again. If you feel yourself reacting emotionally towards some part of it, relax and ask yourself why it is offensive to you. Bring that to the table rather than you gut-reactions of what you are assuming it means. Then we can discuss it without the whole "you're wrong, I'm right" garbage that so many forums are full of.
I give it five stars, and I hope some of you younger guys take heed; that's golden advice he's laid down for you. Some people want money to tell you the same thing. Kudoes, Datasage! |
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Deutha
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Joined: Oct 30, 2006
Posts: 264
Location: Australia
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:38 pm Post subject: Re: Posting late... |
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| 4lex wrote: | | Then we can discuss it without the whole "you're wrong, I'm right" garbage that so many forums are full of. |
you say that after immediately supporting one side...
but let me second some of what was said - 'you're right' in other words
When I first read this guide I saw nothing wrong or dishonest - 'you're right' (and use gut-reactions you condemn)
If you feel yourself reacting emotionally towards some part of it, relax and ask yourself why it is offensive to you. - 'reacting emotionally to it is 'wrong'
Bring that to the table rather than you gut-reactions of what you are assuming it means. - personal intuitiveness is 'wrong'
ur post is teeming with bias...it is in every line of ur whole post infact....
so don't ask for people to stop the garbage when u do it yourself
| 4lex wrote: | | I give it five stars, and I hope some of you younger guys take heed; that's golden advice he's laid down for you |
...lol its golden..its so right its five stars....but dont anyone say different or that would entering into right/wrong garbage
| 4lex wrote: | | frankly surprised at the vehement responses |
vehement def'n: zealous; ardent; impassioned
dont be too surprised...u do it urself:
| 4lex wrote: | | Here's some free advice; CHILL OUT, IGNORE THE PART THAT SAYS ALPHA MALE, LOOK AT IT AS A GUIDE TO MAKING A POSITIVE (AND GENUINE) FIRST IMPRESSION |
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4lex
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:58 pm Post subject: |
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I believe there is a difference between saying I endorse something and saying that "It is morally superior" (right) and opposing viewpoints are "morally or otherwise inferior" (wrong). I saw a lot of right/wrong appraisals.
I was trying to say step past condemnations and find something of value in it if you can. Apparently, I did a poor job of doing so, and apologize for anything I might of said that made you feel like I was calling your opinion wrong. For the sake of clarity, I'll keep it simple and boil my post down to what will hopefully be more palatable for you;
"I personally endorse the advice. If you can, try to step past gut-reactions and judgements of right and wrong caused be sensitive key words, such as alpha-male, and see if there is anything in the post that might be of value to you. If not, no worries. Have a nice day.
It doesn't change my endorsement, BTW, and I don't mean that (and never said that) my endorsement of it means that if you disagree, that you are "wrong"."
That is essentially whayt I meant. I hope it serves to correct my otherwise verbose post. |
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Deutha
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| 4lex wrote: | I believe there is a difference between saying I endorse something and saying that "It is morally superior" (right) and opposing viewpoints are "morally or otherwise inferior" (wrong). I saw a lot of right/wrong appraisals.
I was trying to say step past condemnations and find something of value in it if you can. Apparently, I did a poor job of doing so, and apologize for anything I might of said that made you feel like I was calling your opinion wrong. For the sake of clarity, I'll keep it simple and boil my post down to what will hopefully be more palatable for you;
"I personally endorse the advice. If you can, try to step past gut-reactions and judgements of right and wrong caused be sensitive key words, such as alpha-male, and see if there is anything in the post that might be of value to you. If not, no worries. Have a nice day.
It doesn't change my endorsement, BTW, and I don't mean that (and never said that) my endorsement of it means that if you disagree, that you are "wrong"."
That is essentially whayt I meant. I hope it serves to correct my otherwise verbose post. |
to pass off what people are saying as getting sensitive over key-word's etc...is head-patting condescending nonsense.....it is the whole 'tone' of objectifying women as some sort of 'prey' to be hunted for by men using seduction techniques to manipulate the unconscious mind as though women are some lesser creature that i'm sure is disturbing to the female 1/2 of the population.....how can u ever really get to know a woman behaving this way? ...btw this makes me sound like a bit of a feminist...but i don't think im really standing up for women..i think really i am more investigating the psychology of guys? and why we insist of behaving this way...
it would be true also to say....women manipulate the unconscious mind of men just as much....therefore they are not truly ever getting to know a man either...
also u r judging....by casting ur opinion in what u endorse/support etc....make no mistake about that.....just as i am also making judgement..in usually a more extreme way(eheh...certainly earlier in this thread! ..i think to provoke debate/response mainly)...alas humans do this...i don't think i've ever met someone who doesn't, but many who do and say they don't. |
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BazzaMcKenzie
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Location: the Antipodes
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:24 pm Post subject: |
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| 4lex wrote: | | I was trying to say step past condemnations and find something of value in it if you can. Apparently, I did a poor job of doing so, ... |
I don't think you did a poor job at all  You can lead a horse to water ............ 
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Deutha
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| BazzaMcKenzie wrote: | | 4lex wrote: | | I was trying to say step past condemnations and find something of value in it if you can. Apparently, I did a poor job of doing so, ... |
I don't think you did a poor job at all You can lead a horse to water ............ |
shock horror...damn here i was thinking u were gonna back me up Baz...
You can lead a horse to water ......... <-- head-patting condescension...don't worry m8..we know better...wink wink..
if thats the case....take off ur glasses and show ur eyes... show me the wisdom that must be there to allow you the condescend so effortlessly |
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BazzaMcKenzie
Wild colonial man
Joined: Aug 22, 2006
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| deutha wrote: | | please AS guys....don't adhere to this trickery/seduction rubbish.. |
**sigh**
Gimme a break. The post is only about tips on meeting someone for the first time, for people who are not confident at meeting people.
I suppose you think having a shower and brushing your teeth, if you wouldn't normally before going out, is also seduction and trickery 
are you finished editing?
| deutha wrote: | | ... condescend so efortlessly ... |
- years of practice
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Deutha
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:01 pm Post subject: |
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| BazzaMcKenzie wrote: | | deutha wrote: | | please AS guys....don't adhere to this trickery/seduction rubbish.. |
**sigh**
Gimme a break. The post is only about tips on meeting someone for the first time, for people who are not confident at meeting people.
I suppose you think having a shower and brushing your teeth, if you wouldn't normally before going out, is also seduction and trickery
are you finished editing?
| deutha wrote: | | please AS guys....don't adhere to this trickery/seduction rubbish.. |
- years of practice |
the quick switch onto quoting something a page back to avoid answering the previous post....i have seen u do that trick b4
on the shower/teeth.....possibly more in the realm of personal hygiene
but sure use that as an arguement....if u don't have anything better...ummm u got me! feel better? |
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BazzaMcKenzie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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answer what, show your eyes? Look harder into the computer.
and are you avoiding whether you think having a shower and brushing your teeth, if you wouldn't normally before going out, is also seduction and trickery ?
I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
And just for that one moment
I could be you
Yes, I wish that for just one time
You could stand inside my shoes
You'd know what a drag it is
To see you
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Deutha
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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| BazzaMcKenzie wrote: | answer what, show your eyes? Look harder into the computer.
and are you avoiding whether you think having a shower and brushing your teeth, if you wouldn't normally before going out, is also seduction and trickery ?
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i am looking very hard into the computer  i am seeing my answer of....i think thats more in the realm of personal hygiene |
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Deutha
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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| BazzaMcKenzie wrote: |
And just for that one moment
I could be you
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damn...i umm didn't know u felt this way about me Bazmond...shall we lower the lights a little baby? |
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BazzaMcKenzie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Deutha wrote: | | BazzaMcKenzie wrote: |
And just for that one moment
I could be you
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damn...i umm didn't know u felt this way about me Bazmond...shall we lower the lights a little baby? |
you sat there for 12 minutes thinking and that's the best you can do
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Deutha
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject: |
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| BazzaMcKenzie wrote: | | Deutha wrote: | | BazzaMcKenzie wrote: |
And just for that one moment
I could be you
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damn...i umm didn't know u felt this way about me Bazmond...shall we lower the lights a little baby? |
you sat there for 12 minutes thinking and that's the best you can do |
if i had known u were waiting, breathlessly, wantingly, counting the minutes...for my reply...i would have put in more effort..soz |
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BazzaMcKenzie
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| Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2006 10:33 pm Post subject: |
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you are getting better, grasshopper
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