Newtown school shooter = Aspie?

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I am NEVER coming out.

I'd rather live a lie and be miserable than reveal the truth now and risk a lynch mob.

me too

Aspies usually take their own life, only

Just put 'bullied to death' into the search bar of youtube http://www.youtube.com/results?search_q ... XR7Yn8e4Gg

omg so many poor kids suffer bullying
every now and then its different..........

Dear Disraeli, well-written response, can I point out that many, (most) kids are bullied at some time, to some degree, but some, even as young as eleven years old have committed suicide.

The severity of the abuse, the sensitivity of the victim, the feeling of hopelessness, no escape?
So some people are destroyed by verbal or physical abuse, some feel they are fighting their enemies (Kliebold and Harris), some (most?) survive it and live their lives, albeit carrying bad memories.

Mr. Lanza was not being abused, however, that was in the past, unless there was a possibility of his mother mistreating him, and there has been nothing like that even implied.

Even If he was Autistic, there are seven MILLION of us who are not hurting anyone!

Sylkat

correct
aspies are the ones generally being hurt in schools

I wonder if it will ever occur to the "normal" people that it may not be that people with [insert neurological condition currently being demonized here] are more prone to violence, but that people scorned by society are more prone to violence and people [insert neurological condition currently being demonized here] are more likely to be scorned by society. Thus, scorning people with [insert neurological condition currently being demonized here] will only make this happen more often.

And let's not forget that as soon as something like this happens, every quack with a degree in bigotry rushes to "diagnose" the killer. To ensure the "normal" people that this happened because the killer was "broken" and a "normal" person would never do something like this. You hear that masses? You are better than the people you ostracize! So keep on ostracizing them!

It used to be that anyone who didn't "fit in" could go out and live in the wilderness. It wasn't a very easy option, but it was an option.

But now there is no more room to be alone. There is nowhere to run. There is nowhere to hide. Treat someone like an animal for enough years and that's what they'll become. Antagonize a cornered beast, and what do you expect to happen?

As bad as this was, I am impressed it doesn't happen more often.

well said, I can feel your emotion, very insightful thanks

Kliebold and Harris weren't bullied either, and Kliebold displayed psychopathic tendencies long before the shooting spree occurred. But point well taken. Although there is no indication that Lanzo was bullied and even if he was it is very strange he would take it out on preschool kids. More likely he too was also psychotic or deeply disturbed. And yes Asperger's can cause rage in some people. I have a cousin who is Aspergic and he can throw violent tantrums if he doesn't get his way. So don't pretend that those with asperger's aren't capable of violence, because this simply isn't the case.

I don't know if anybody already mentioned this but CNN's Piers Morgan had a discussion on his show tonight about the shooter with 2 psychiatrists

incorrect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Harri ... d#Bullying

Bullying

In Eric Harris' journal, he wrote about the bullying he received: "Everyone is always making fun of me because of how I look, and how f*****g weak I am and s**t. Well, I will get you all back: ultimate f*****g revenge here. You people could have shown more respect, treated me better, asked for my knowledge or guidance more, treated me more like a senior, and maybe I wouldn't have been as ready to tear your f*****g heads off...That's where a lot of my hate grows from. The fact that I have practically no self-esteem. Especially concerning girls and looks and such. therefore people make fun of me...constantly...therefore I get no respect and therefore I get f*****g PISSED" and "Whatever I do people make fun of me, and sometimes directly to my face. I'll get revenge soon enough. f*****s shouldn't have ripped on me so much, huh! HA!"[25]

Dylan Klebold said on the Basement Tapes that his older brother Byron and his friends constantly "ripped on" him and that everyone (including those at school) except his family treated him "like the runt of the litter".[26] He also said, "You've been giving us s**t for years. You're f*****g gonna pay for all the s**t! We don't give a s**t. Because we're gonna die doing it."[27]

Nathan Vanderau, a friend of Klebold, and Alisa Owen, Harris' eighth-grade science partner, reported that Harris and Klebold were constantly picked on. Vanderau noted that a "cup of fecal matter" was thrown at them.[28]

In Harris' 1998 yearbook, Klebold wrote "my wrath for January's incident will be GOD-LIKE. Not to mention our revenge in the commons."

Brooks Brown believes that the "January incident" refers to a humiliating event, if not their arrest for breaking into a van, exactly the kind of thing that would focus their hatred on the "commons," the usual name for the school cafeteria.

"People surrounded them in the commons and squirted ketchup packets all over them, laughing at them, calling them fa***ts," Brown says. "That happened while teachers watched. They couldn't fight back. They wore the ketchup all day and went home covered with it."[29]

In his book, No Easy Answers: The Truth Behind Death at Columbine, Brown wrote that Harris was born with mild chest indent. This made him reluctant to take his shirt off in gym class, and other students would laugh at him.[30]

"A lot of the tension in the school came from the class above us," Chad Laughlin insists. "There were people fearful of walking by a table where you knew you didn't belong, stuff like that. Certain groups certainly got preferential treatment across the board. I caught the tail end of one really horrible incident, and I know Dylan told his mother that it was the worst day of his life."

That incident, according to Laughlin, involved seniors pelting Klebold with "ketchup-covered tampons" in the commons.[31]

to infer that someone like Lanza was not bullied is a little naive, going by his appearance

When my mom and I were talking about it on the way to pick up my new glasses, she mentioned that they believed the guy had Asperger's. She kind of made it seem like I would act exactly the same way, too. She kept eying me.

make a joke to ease her mind
ask for a gun for Xmas

Aspie or not, what he did was inexcusable. He knew right from wrong; he knew exactly what he was doing when he went in and shot the children and the adults.

Oh yeah...

Constitutionally protected rights should be protect for all unless there is a serious danger involved in protecting it. By denying us the right, it means the public will see us as a danger.

Once again - a total miss understanding of Asperger's and empathy.

There are 3 main types of empathy but Aspergers only have problems with one of them:
* Empathic Concern (Sympathy)
* Affective Empathy (feeling the pain, sorrow, love etc of others - what most people call empathy)
* Cognitive Empathy (understanding the thoughts, perspectives and motivations of others)

It is only this third type Aspergers have problems with, most Asperger's have no issues with the first two. In fact there is some good evidence that the first two work very well in us.

The reason that we have a problem with this third type of empathy is not because we have some mental defect -- We think differently and react differently than the NTs - I will bet that if NTs were tested for this ability with Asperger's they would do no better than we do when trying to use such an ability on NTs, and probably not as well (due to lack of practice). In other words - NTs are probably no better as guessing what an Asperger's is thinking than an Asperger's is at guessing what an NT is thinking!

An illustration: a couple years back I was at a computer event there were both "normal people" and geeks (and the geek of interest was strongly Asperger's) at the event. There was this one geek at a table showing off his abilities at cracking into non-responsive computers. An NT had been standing nearby and made the comment "You some kinda uber-Geek or something" - the geek replied "why, thank you" - where upon the NT shot back "Didn't mean it as a complement!" - the geek said "But I take is as one" - the NT huffed and left. - This NT had completely misread the geek.

I remember a story from an Asperger's mother that could often see meltdowns coming not only for her Aspie son but also for the other Aspie children on outings - However, the NT chaperones were nearly always caught off guard and were clueless.

So it very much looks like that we can read other Asperger's better than NTs can read us - This is nothing more than - for someone to read you - the both of you must be using very similar thought processes. So from my point of view we and the NTs do about the same at this type of empathy - which is fairly good with our own - but not so good with different mental types.

It is the first two types of empathy that stops us and most others from harming the people around them. On the other hand psychopaths that does have Cognitive Empathy but lack Empathic Concern
Affective Empathy are quite likely to commit violent crimes against those around them.

Did He?

He may have been truly insane and have no idea of what he was doing - or a psychopath and had no ability to understand the effects of his actions.

This guy is dead - had he lived and had this happened in my State of Alaska we do not have the not-guilty by reason of insanity defense - but rather the pleading of Guilty and Insane. In both cases he would go to a mental hospital, the difference is that he would not get out of serving his sentence if he was found to be sane at some future time.

I have one more thing to say here --- I feel that his name should never be used again.