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15 Dec 2012, 3:34 am

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Aspie or not, what he did was inexcusable. He knew right from wrong; he knew exactly what he was doing when he went in and shot the children and the adults.


Did He?

He may have been truly insane and have no idea of what he was doing - or a psychopath and had no ability to understand the effects of his actions.

This guy is dead - had he lived and had this happened in my State of Alaska we do not have the not-guilty by reason of insanity defense - but rather the pleading of Guilty and Insane. In both cases he would go to a mental hospital, the difference is that he would not get out of serving his sentence if he was found to be sane at some future time.

I have one more thing to say here --- I feel that his name should never be used again.


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15 Dec 2012, 8:41 am

Anyone who can think rationally will know it's obviously other factors that caused him to do this. Either being emotionally disturbed, depressed or having a "personality disorder".

America has problems, but so does the rest of the West. We have had shootings like this here (U.K), and most people here aren't in possession of firearms.

Personally I think it would be better if there were tougher gun laws. But obviously that isn't the sole reason why you have these shootings happening. My incredibly uneducated opinion is that urbanized and consumerist societies foster alienation and social exclusion, and that inevitably leads to these tragic events.

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I don't know if anybody already mentioned this but CNN's Piers Morgan had a discussion on his show tonight about the shooter with 2 psychiatrists


Piers Morgan, and everything he embodies, is one of the many things wrong with modern society.



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15 Dec 2012, 9:41 am

Acedia wrote:
Anyone who can think rationally will know it's obviously other factors that caused him to do this. Either being emotionally disturbed, depressed or having a "personality disorder".
America has problems, but so does the rest of the West. We have had shootings like this here (U.K), and most people here aren't in possession of firearms.
Personally I think it would be better if there were tougher gun laws. But obviously that isn't the sole reason why you have these shootings happening. My incredibly uneducated opinion is that urbanized and consumerist societies foster alienation and social exclusion, and that inevitably leads to these tragic events.


Agree, Acedia. I think the reasons for such behaviour are many and complicated.
However, allowing people to possess guns isn't helping. If you like shooting you can do it on the computer or in a special shooting club where the weapons are kept locked away when not in use for sports. Of course there are people who are responsible gun owners, but the risks of having one madman possessing a gun far outweigh the rights of others to possess a gun. A gun is not a necessity, it's a luxury and it's too dangerous. Those things are made for killing.



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15 Dec 2012, 9:51 am

As for that murderer having Aspergers: I wish they should keep such things out of the news.
Having a form of autism does not make a person more likely to become a killer.
However, many people who know little of autism will perceive it that way. Which may lead to discrimination of autistic individuals.
Also, autistic people may be more reluctant to get diagnosed, which potentially could limit their access to help and support.
Although a diagnosis does not always mean you get support.



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15 Dec 2012, 9:54 am

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Even if people with Asperger's were to be banned from getting guns... so what? You won't be able to go hunting. That's hardly the END OF THE WORLD, is it?


So you're saying I have to give up and not be allowed to pursue my special interest because someone else did something bad? Even though I've never showed ANY signs of violence in my life?
That's pretty much telling me that the government believes me to be a danger to others even though I have absolutely no history of violence.

All it would do is lead to more stereotyping, discrimination, profiling and mistrust.


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15 Dec 2012, 10:15 am

http://www.examiner.com/article/connect ... -spotlight


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15 Dec 2012, 10:29 am

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So you're saying I have to give up and not be allowed to pursue my special interest because someone else did something bad? Even though I've never showed ANY signs of violence in my life?


Yes. Just like you are not allowed to stack heaps of cocaine or to build a nuclear bomb in your living room.

I know this was not addressed to me, but I still respond.



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15 Dec 2012, 10:34 am

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http://www.examiner.com/article/connecticut-school-shooting-thrusts-autism-into-national-spotlight


Trying to contain my rage at some of the Facebook replies I'm reading.

It's not working. :wall:



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15 Dec 2012, 10:35 am

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jetbuilder wrote:
So you're saying I have to give up and not be allowed to pursue my special interest because someone else did something bad? Even though I've never showed ANY signs of violence in my life?


Yes. Just like you are not allowed to stack heaps of cocaine or to build a nuclear bomb in your living room.

I know this was not addressed to me, but I still respond.


Yes, but those things apply to EVERYONE, not a specific group of people. My issue is thaf they'd be singling out people on the spectrum. Most of which are not violent. It'd be discrimination.


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15 Dec 2012, 10:43 am

This particular facebook comment is particularly grinding:

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I am an educator of 20 years. As I realize there are many autistic people who have learned to function in society, I have also seen many who have not. I have had autistic students who made threats to "sneak in when another student was taking a bath" or to "stab someone in the heart." These children do not feel a sense of right and wrong. The ones who get help can learn to cope but the ones who have parents who are in denial or parents without the financial resources to pay for expensive treatment. There are more and more children who are diagnosed with this every year.


This lady calls herself an educator? Yeah, time for her to get a new job. What nerve to say that autistic children do not feel a sense of right or wrong. Autistic children cannot function in an environment not designed with them in mind and the more they are forced into such environments, the more they are going to act out against their own will. It's not a matter of morals, it's a matter of functioning! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:



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15 Dec 2012, 11:09 am

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However, allowing people to possess guns isn't helping. If you like shooting you can do it on the computer or in a special shooting club where the weapons are kept locked away when not in use for sports. Of course there are people who are responsible gun owners, but the risks of having one madman possessing a gun far outweigh the rights of others to possess a gun. A gun is not a necessity, it's a luxury and it's too dangerous.


No, I agree. I think the U.S needs tougher and restrictive gun legislation. But I was also acknowledging that it still won't completely prevent incidents such as these.

A part of me thinks that the problem is in the way society is structured. It fosters alienation and neglect of those with mental health problems.



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15 Dec 2012, 11:11 am

jetbuilder wrote:
Cinnamon wrote:
jetbuilder wrote:
So you're saying I have to give up and not be allowed to pursue my special interest because someone else did something bad? Even though I've never showed ANY signs of violence in my life?


Yes. Just like you are not allowed to stack heaps of cocaine or to build a nuclear bomb in your living room.

I know this was not addressed to me, but I still respond.


Yes, but those things apply to EVERYONE, not a specific group of people. My issue is thaf they'd be singling out people on the spectrum. Most of which are not violent. It'd be discrimination.


I misunderstood you, jetbuilder.
I didn't mean that autistic people shouldn't own guns, but others should be allowed.
I mean that NOBODY should be allowed to personally own guns and/or keep them in the house.



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15 Dec 2012, 11:11 am

I wrote the article on Examiner, it was my attempt to try to temper some of the ignorance that I saw coming from the news last night. I have a 15-year-old with autism, and three of my cousins have Asperger's. I thought that some of what was being said last night is not only ignorant, it is dangerous. I truly hope that the article did not cause offense to anyone (aside from the comments that some have left, which should offend everyone, especially "educators.")



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15 Dec 2012, 11:22 am

raisedbyignorance wrote:
This particular facebook comment is particularly grinding:

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I am an educator of 20 years. As I realize there are many autistic people who have learned to function in society, I have also seen many who have not. I have had autistic students who made threats to "sneak in when another student was taking a bath" or to "stab someone in the heart." These children do not feel a sense of right and wrong. The ones who get help can learn to cope but the ones who have parents who are in denial or parents without the financial resources to pay for expensive treatment. There are more and more children who are diagnosed with this every year.


This lady calls herself an educator? Yeah, time for her to get a new job. What nerve to say that autistic children do not feel a sense of right or wrong. Autistic children cannot function in an environment not designed with them in mind and the more they are forced into such environments, the more they are going to act out against their own will. It's not a matter of morals, it's a matter of functioning! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:


What a horrible, useless educator.
I have worked in education for 30 years. My mother has been an educator for even longer.
We've both seen many non-autistic children who say horrible things.
We've also worked in special education and the autistic children I taught all happened to be sweet, mild mannered children without aggressive tendencies. My mother taught even more autistic children, teenagers even, and there was only one who had an obsession with blood and knives. None of the others were particularly aggressive.
I have personally seen non-autistic children act extremely cruel as bullies, but I never saw an autistic child act in the same way.



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15 Dec 2012, 12:25 pm

Ugh. As an aspie who runs an after school chess club at a K-5 school, this is just another reason to actively keep my diagnosis a secret.

As far as gun laws go, I'm not completely against ownership of guns, but tighter gun laws just make sense. Personal protection? The woman who legally bought the guns ended up dead by them. Hunting? Sure, buy a hunting rifle if you can pass a background check. Citizen militia that can rise up against an oppressive government? In the days of chemical and biological weapons, as well as aircrafts carrying bombs, are you kidding? Assault weapons? I know you may have played with GI Joes when you were younger and watched action shows where it looked cool, but toys these are not.

It's really unfortunate when a portion of our uneducated citizenry take every tragedy like this that shows up in the news and goes "how convenient for the liberals, now they have another excuse to talk about banning guns!" I realize that even if guns were outright banned, there would still be people who would find ways to shoot and kill(or massacre in other ways) people, but there's no denying that numbers wise it would avert some of these tragedies. If there's a legal reason to own a gun such as hunting, using them on shooting ranges, or safely using them on private property, and you can pass a background check then go for it, but if anything guns probably do need to be a bit less accessible.

Now if you're one of those people who thinks these events might be part of a secret government plot to gain support for tighter gun restrictions? You probably shouldn't be owning a gun to begin with.



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15 Dec 2012, 1:38 pm

Cinnamon wrote:
As for that murderer having Aspergers: I wish they should keep such things out of the news.
Having a form of autism does not make a person more likely to become a killer.
However, many people who know little of autism will perceive it that way. Which may lead to discrimination of autistic individuals.
Also, autistic people may be more reluctant to get diagnosed, which potentially could limit their access to help and support.
Although a diagnosis does not always mean you get support.


Why? What makes people with Asperger's so special? Why is it so hard to even consider the possibility that Asperger's, or some other co-morbid condition, may have been atleast partially responsible for this crime? If he did have Asperger's this does need to be take into consideration and cannot be ignored.