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Will gun confiscation start the Second American Civil War
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22 Dec 2012, 9:31 am

most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


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22 Dec 2012, 3:58 pm

vermontsavant wrote:
most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


I don't argue with the assertion that the rank-and-file of the Republican party are lower middle and working class. But the simple fact of the matter is, most of the rich and powerful in finance and business are not only also Republicans, but are the actual leaders of their party. The anti-elitist, NASCAR fan base, populist low church persona the Republican party is a fraud. The Republican party of today, with it's tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of social programs and education, and corporate welfare - just to name a few things - hardly represents the economic interests of most Republican voters. But the rank-and-file still vote Republican, because the leadership appeals to people's prejudices regarding boogeymen like gay marriage, fear of immigrants, Muslims, and - when racism was still acceptable - fear of racial minorities. And in the end, most Republican voters might get their gun rights, but little else.

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22 Dec 2012, 4:07 pm

and what; the clinton,kennedy families.john kerry,nancy pelosi and of the obama's,are what "the little orphan annie".come on dude of coarse i know many republicans,romney,trump are wealthy too but most politicians are wealthy and on the side of the rich.unfair charictorization of republicans.how are the libs any different


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22 Dec 2012, 4:16 pm

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and what; the clinton,kennedy families.john kerry,nancy pelosi and of the obama's,are what "the little orphan annie".come on dude of coarse i know many republicans,romney,trump are wealthy too but most politicians are wealthy and on the side of the rich.unfair charictorization of republicans.how are the libs any different


I never said there weren't any wealthy Democrats. But to make the assertion that the Republican party are common folk, while Democrats are the wealthy elitists, is patently false. And while the Democratic party is hardly perfect or without stain, they've done more with education and social programs to help those without than the Republican party has, which has only treated those in need with disdain. In fact, for all the talk of being the party of common people, the Republican party has spoken of being poor as some sort of moral failing, while treating the rich as demigods.

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22 Dec 2012, 5:09 pm

Both sides are a bunch of rich guys



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22 Dec 2012, 6:29 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


I don't argue with the assertion that the rank-and-file of the Republican party are lower middle and working class. But the simple fact of the matter is, most of the rich and powerful in finance and business are not only also Republicans, but are the actual leaders of their party. The anti-elitist, NASCAR fan base, populist low church persona the Republican party is a fraud. The Republican party of today, with it's tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of social programs and education, and corporate welfare - just to name a few things - hardly represents the economic interests of most Republican voters. But the rank-and-file still vote Republican, because the leadership appeals to people's prejudices regarding boogeymen like gay marriage, fear of immigrants, Muslims, and - when racism was still acceptable - fear of racial minorities. And in the end, most Republican voters might get their gun rights, but little else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


More like us low-church NASCAR fans see the Republican Party only as the lesser evil.

That was a good little sermon, though.... :thumright:


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22 Dec 2012, 6:49 pm

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Kraichgauer wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


I don't argue with the assertion that the rank-and-file of the Republican party are lower middle and working class. But the simple fact of the matter is, most of the rich and powerful in finance and business are not only also Republicans, but are the actual leaders of their party. The anti-elitist, NASCAR fan base, populist low church persona the Republican party is a fraud. The Republican party of today, with it's tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of social programs and education, and corporate welfare - just to name a few things - hardly represents the economic interests of most Republican voters. But the rank-and-file still vote Republican, because the leadership appeals to people's prejudices regarding boogeymen like gay marriage, fear of immigrants, Muslims, and - when racism was still acceptable - fear of racial minorities. And in the end, most Republican voters might get their gun rights, but little else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer


More like us low-church NASCAR fans see the Republican Party only as the lesser evil.

That was a good little sermon, though.... :thumright:


Thank you. :lol:

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22 Dec 2012, 7:31 pm

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Americans are naturally defiant, and that is part of the reason the US exists.

I have heard many calls for a UK style gun turn-in, much like the one they did in response to the Dunblane Massacre of 1997.

Any attempt to do anything remotely similar would end in utter disaster.


And look what happened!? Violent crime hits 100 year high in 2003. And some Londoners think that the London riots are more damaging due to lack of the right to near arms and overwhelmed police force.

As in VC spike, I forgot what source it was but some scholar thought that the Englishmen and women should be able to own firearms.


The rioters themselves would be far more trigger-happy than anyone nearby. We just need to spend more money on the police.



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22 Dec 2012, 8:42 pm

puddingmouse wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
PM wrote:
Americans are naturally defiant, and that is part of the reason the US exists.

I have heard many calls for a UK style gun turn-in, much like the one they did in response to the Dunblane Massacre of 1997.

Any attempt to do anything remotely similar would end in utter disaster.


And look what happened!? Violent crime hits 100 year high in 2003. And some Londoners think that the London riots are more damaging due to lack of the right to near arms and overwhelmed police force.

As in VC spike, I forgot what source it was but some scholar thought that the Englishmen and women should be able to own firearms.


The rioters themselves would be far more trigger-happy than anyone nearby. We just need to spend more money on the police.


If I found myself living in the middle of a riot like that all the sudden I'd much rather have my beloved AR-15 handy than expect the police to do anything.
Their tendency is to break and run whereas I might not have that luxury. Moreover, I shouldn't have to leave if I live there.....
During the LA riots 20 years ago many people, homes, and businesses were protected solely by men with guns.
Need I say more?


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22 Dec 2012, 8:56 pm

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If I found myself living in the middle of a riot like that all the sudden I'd much rather have my beloved AR-15 handy than expect the police to do anything.
Their tendency is to break and run whereas I might not have that luxury. Moreover, I shouldn't have to leave if I live there.....
During the LA riots 20 years ago many people, homes, and businesses were protected solely by men with guns.
Need I say more?


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23 Dec 2012, 12:53 am

Raptor wrote:
puddingmouse wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
PM wrote:
Americans are naturally defiant, and that is part of the reason the US exists.

I have heard many calls for a UK style gun turn-in, much like the one they did in response to the Dunblane Massacre of 1997.

Any attempt to do anything remotely similar would end in utter disaster.


And look what happened!? Violent crime hits 100 year high in 2003. And some Londoners think that the London riots are more damaging due to lack of the right to near arms and overwhelmed police force.

As in VC spike, I forgot what source it was but some scholar thought that the Englishmen and women should be able to own firearms.


The rioters themselves would be far more trigger-happy than anyone nearby. We just need to spend more money on the police.


If I found myself living in the middle of a riot like that all the sudden I'd much rather have my beloved AR-15 handy than expect the police to do anything.
Their tendency is to break and run whereas I might not have that luxury. Moreover, I shouldn't have to leave if I live there.....
During the LA riots 20 years ago many people, homes, and businesses were protected solely by men with guns.
Need I say more?


Not just any guns, they were AKs, ARs, bolt actions, and I saw a Korean guy open fire with what seems like a Beretta 92. YouTube video.

And no, 30 round magazines are not high capacity. You can do mass murder with bolt actions and double barrel shotguns! I don't condone it. Remember Cumbria?


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23 Dec 2012, 12:55 am

puddingmouse wrote:
NorthPark wrote:
PM wrote:
Americans are naturally defiant, and that is part of the reason the US exists.

I have heard many calls for a UK style gun turn-in, much like the one they did in response to the Dunblane Massacre of 1997.

Any attempt to do anything remotely similar would end in utter disaster.


And look what happened!? Violent crime hits 100 year high in 2003. And some Londoners think that the London riots are more damaging due to lack of the right to near arms and overwhelmed police force.

As in VC spike, I forgot what source it was but some scholar thought that the Englishmen and women should be able to own firearms.


The rioters themselves would be far more trigger-happy than anyone nearby. We just need to spend more money on the police.


What if they run away, like the LAPD, circa 1992?


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23 Dec 2012, 1:20 am

Jacoby wrote:
Both sides are a bunch of rich guys
that is the closest to the truth


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23 Dec 2012, 2:38 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


I don't argue with the assertion that the rank-and-file of the Republican party are lower middle and working class. But the simple fact of the matter is, most of the rich and powerful in finance and business are not only also Republicans, but are the actual leaders of their party. The anti-elitist, NASCAR fan base, populist low church persona the Republican party is a fraud. The Republican party of today, with it's tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of social programs and education, and corporate welfare - just to name a few things - hardly represents the economic interests of most Republican voters. But the rank-and-file still vote Republican, because the leadership appeals to people's prejudices regarding boogeymen like gay marriage, fear of immigrants, Muslims, and - when racism was still acceptable - fear of racial minorities. And in the end, most Republican voters might get their gun rights, but little else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The republican party has what was a hairline fracture, but is growing, between the relatively libertarian tea party republicans and the neocons.


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23 Dec 2012, 3:17 am

John_Browning wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
vermontsavant wrote:
most republicans are blue collor working class from rural areas,not poor but the lower end of middle class.

most people who are very wealthy and have a lot power are radical liberals


I don't argue with the assertion that the rank-and-file of the Republican party are lower middle and working class. But the simple fact of the matter is, most of the rich and powerful in finance and business are not only also Republicans, but are the actual leaders of their party. The anti-elitist, NASCAR fan base, populist low church persona the Republican party is a fraud. The Republican party of today, with it's tax cuts for the rich, the cutting of social programs and education, and corporate welfare - just to name a few things - hardly represents the economic interests of most Republican voters. But the rank-and-file still vote Republican, because the leadership appeals to people's prejudices regarding boogeymen like gay marriage, fear of immigrants, Muslims, and - when racism was still acceptable - fear of racial minorities. And in the end, most Republican voters might get their gun rights, but little else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

The republican party has what was a hairline fracture, but is growing, between the relatively libertarian tea party republicans and the neocons.


Where will a split Republican party leave conservatives of either stripe?

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer



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23 Dec 2012, 3:36 am

what if ammunition or key [irreplaceable] components of ammunition were made much tougher to get/assemble? all those guns would be a lot less useful for people sans the talents to make do.