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Even if they their beliefs made it "okay" to make innocent people suffer in some way?

I once found Thelemite/Thelemic philosophy to be interesting, but I never bought into the magickal aspects. Now, my views are different. I also have one book about John Dee. It is linked, alphabetically (under John Dee) from this page.

In my opinion it is a matter of raw energy...

The E-world is a most powerful tool of raw energy..

Pornography is a type of Sexmagick.... Used judicially, I think it can even be used on the path to spiritual enlightenment. I didn't understand that part of it until I came across Crowley.

Regardless of where people end up there is a great deal of dopamine stimulation resulting in higher frequencies of Human energy...

The affect I believe is synergy...

It can be negative or positive energy... But the net effect is energy.

Ultimately, in my mind it is a divine comedy....

Everyone has a role to play... Crowley believed that was his role... As far as I know.

The affect is 'bad' news carries far...
His influence is farther reaching because of that notoriety.
The ultimate effect is more people receive the message...

Crowley and Thelema is not for everyone.
I was scared of it when I was younger..
But I am no longer scared of it.

In my opinion as far as effect on the masses.
He probably is one of the most influential
human beings in the last 100 years.
I am glad I recently came across 'The Book of Law'.
It answered many questions for me.

I think it affects everyone in their own true will way.

Refreshing to see open minds here.
It means nothing to closed minds.

What is below is above....

I find myself following these teachings
well before I knew who the man was....
I don't think you have to have a piece of anything special except for a sincere attempt at search for one's own true will... That was always the way, before 'background noise' took over, as far as I can see. I see it as an archetype of human mind, always there waiting to be found.

That is a great resource you put together there. Thanks for leaving that link. I know very little.

You're welcome.

Not sure on the E-world terminology but I have a hard time not seeing a major correlation between what gets called kundalini energy on one side and then Saul while chasing David going to a city of prophets where he was prophecying so hard that he was on the ground naked or where David was stripping down dancing in front of the ark of the covenant as it was brought into town. There's a lot that gets criss-crossed through cultures just there are some whopping issues that get ignored in the bible, aside from this one my biggest ones 1) the mass amounts of 7's and 12's (the 12's really being 13's as they revolve around a one), 2) the neoplatonism of John, 3) the randomness and lack of information on Melchizedek's entry in Genesis 14 just to disappear from dialog until he resurfaces in Paul's letter to the Hebrews (he could have been the inspiration for the character Hermes Trismegistus for all we know).


From what I understand that's referred to in the East as being the left-hand path. The funny thing about that, its very difficult for someone who's single, doing deep study of metaphysics, and trying to pierce the veil, not to realize that with some porn and the right bottle of cough syrup they can essentially crash a truck right through the wall of reality. We might have other direct access lines to the subtle planes but that's probably the most intuitive for a lot of people.


It turned out, perhaps partly from how ASD and dealing with psychologists effected me, that I was an alchemist long before I knew what alchemy was. I also came to the conclusion that I picked up connections with Isis and Thoth somewhere along the way, had a medium last year trying to steer me toward St. Germain. Rosicrucianism and particularly Anthroposophy are interesting but the wy HPV, theosophy, and the I AM Activity portrays St. G gives me the chills and not in a good way.

That said I'm in a world-ripping moment in my life where I realize that a lot of things for a long time have been gently leading me toward western esotericism and the occult path. In fact it feels like all other doors have been closing to me and I've almost been forced to have that as my only through route. The only thing that sucks is first, every time I think I've finally found an esoteric system after my own heart I always run into some positive affiliation with Lucifer, serpent seed hypothesis (ie. Cain as Lucifer's son) and Cain lineage portrayed positively, Virgo Lucifera, etc.. I don't see the devil mentioned enough times in the bible to edify the theory of Lucifer simply as a polarity of celestial nature without going to external sources. Also Leviticus 20 and Deuteronomy 18 are enough to make anyone think twice about it.

Regardless of all of that though, the three or four problems in the bible that I mentioned and add to that the 7 or 14 Elohim (Divine Council) also drives me up a wall. Supposedly we're not to talk to anything, at all, aside from Christ. How does that work when whatever it is has had a warm relationship with our lives and has been guiding them before we even knew that it was a manifestation of minor deity or something that culturally had a lot of rocks thrown at it in the old testament? At this point, rationally/logically there's nothing I want more than to be able to go all in for Christ, on the other hand my heart and perhaps my soul want to keep pushing me toward esotericism, in fact its tough to tell at this point - am I fighting destiny by trying to go Christian and the universe is giggling at my attempts or is this one of those things where if I get baptized again (non-RCC) that I'll find out I had a demon and it will all go away? From what I can tell the little Elohim are very real. People run into them often. Back in the 90's when I was kind of raised on MTV back when it actually played music, that whole cool and exciting feel of things - I think I can at least name one of the goddesses who was lending her energy to that and it could have been other minor deities as well. Part of what drew me back into reading about the occult, particularly after having an intervention from theosophy and new age via the bible was that I wanted to see just how up to our eyeballs in magick and occult we are every day, day in and day out, and don't even realize it. What I got from that research was what I had a feeling I'd get - ie. for anyone who'd never tripped before, sees all the visuals, and never looks at the commercial art that's all over everything quite the same way (ie. realizes our culture is aesthetically saturated in the influences of hallucinogens) reading deep on the occult makes one draw similar conclusions. Its not that magick is some hidden thing at all - rather it's used in very mundane and practical ways, so much so that its tough to argue that the common public uses of it aren't areligious or common domain (ie. not really falling under any particular ownership). Additionally the boundary between human communication and persuasion vs. magick as commonly thought of is a wide and blurry one. To me there's hardly anything more pagan or occult than the local shopping mall in shoveling out raw power of energy and influence, albeit the downtown club strip comes pretty close.

Something that might be worth adding regarding the little Elohim talk there's a really interesting bit in here about 'Mother Ayahuasca':
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0c5nIvJH7w[/youtube]
The only thing I'm left wondering is who Astaroth's travel agent is as that's clearly who they're dealing with. I'd suppose being hyper-dimensional has its perks but regardless she's been punching the clock a lot lately.

On a whim last night I decided to read Liber Al Vel Legis since everyone's been talking Crowley lately.

I'm starting to come to a hypothesis about him. Essentially he might have had an incredibly high IQ, also had a big chip on his shoulder over his parent's bible-beating, but for as much as he wanted to be a great seer I'm really thinking he was kinda mediocre at it. The trouble with someone wanting to be a great seer is it doesn't really happen unless you're ready, he wanted more than what he was ready for, and his putting a belt on his arm on a regular basis was his way of trying to compensate the difference.

With Liber Al Vel Legis one of three things happened - 1) He read the Papyrus of Ani and other works like it, his subconscious spat up what he wanted 2) He did get a message from Nuit, Hadit, and Ra but by the time he was writing for Ra he was putting loading it with what he wanted from it thus it got cluttered with his subconscious material rather than the actual message 3) Liber Al Vel Legis is an accurate transmission from Egyptian deity, Egyptian crew roles dirty, and they're the real Three 6 Mafia of the spirit world - from the original Memphis rather than Mephis, Tennessee (whether they sit sideways on the lean and chronic I don't know).

To believe 3) however I'd need to hear see some ancient manuscripts showing them talking smack about other people's gods in order to believe that was in their modus operandi. 2) or 1) seem most likely, and strangely part of me says 2) is even more likely because there was a pretty big pull to be where he was at taking the notes. It could be a blur between 2) and 3) but - I really don't know. The problem with 2) however - you'd think they'd know who they were calling, flaws and all - why him?

It does make me want to read a bit more about Crowley, more as a case study in what can go wrong with seers who try to rush things for lack of talent than anything else.

Thanks for linking the video. I had not heard of that entity before.
If you don't already have it, here is a good link for Crowley.
http://hermetic.com/crowley/

I have just started to look at some of his writings in more detail. What I have researched so far is how much of an effect he has had on popular culture. The Beatles wrote those teaching into 'Sargent Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club band' Album that I understand is supposed to be the most popular Album of all time. Considering that was two decades after he died, there must be much more to it, that I have yet to come across.

My understanding is that he credited the strict beliefs of his parents, to direct him where he went in life away from that tradition.

Crowley also had a (disputed) role in working with Gerald Gardner to start Wicca in the 1930s. They were both interesting characters. Gardner, however, created the false mythology that the religion he invented was the ancient religion of witchcraft. Of course, there is no connection. (The concept of "witchcraft" was really invented by Christians as an anti-Christianity.) Wicca was Gardner's combination of Irish Druidic mythology, Kashmiri Shaivism (a branch of Hinduism), and some Freemasonic rituals.

Just some useless trivia from a sociologist of religion. lol.

Thanks; I think that is very interesting. 7/13/13 was very significant for me. I don't know why. It just happened that way. My wife looks a lot like Isis; in what has been recorded in stone. A delightful divine comedy; at least...a myth to 'giggle' at for me.

When I saw 'Techs' thread I said WTF, to myself, after I posted something that is hugely significant to me; and only me. I believe there is not anything much more sacred than numbers and letters. A core reflection that I see of stars.

I am a layman; it is all instinct for me...

Additionally, I am of the opinion that assigning any personality to 'a deity'; if there is any worship to be found in physical form; silly. So many people have turned 'Jesus' into an idol of flesh instead of a way.

Yeah, he gave Gardner a high-level A:.A:. certificate and from there Gardner took the structure of A:.A:. and applied it to Wicca. 'Book of Lies: Disinformation Guide to the Occult' had a lot of Aleister Crowley history in it.

Just out of curiosity on your opinion; why shouldn't his history be part of it, if he is the beast?

Also of note; the experience online continues to be part of my journey; I am linking signs I see in what I describe as a Revelation 66, last post in my blog, including ones I see here and other places online.

Consider it amusing, if you will, a little 'game' I play if you want to observe.

I am still curious
what your answer
might be,
but until then;
if that comes;
there is
another
'little'
comment
here
by me...

At least,
I think it's me...

If All there IS
IS Actionand
Consequenceand
Positiveand
Negativeand
energy..

The 'Muse'...
Positive or
Negative
creates
the
Inspiration
of Consequence
of Action...
ENERGY.

Does the label of the 'Muse' matter?
Sorry, that's two questions now instead of one...

Any other 'players' in the 'Audience' are welcome to give it a whirl 2.

The feeling I'm really getting, and again it's a feeling but I'd think it somewhat educated, is that Aleister Crowley as the Beast, Jack Parsons as founding Antichrist of NASA JPL, and Marjorie Cameron as the Scarlet Woman - they weren't the trinity of Antichrist, they were the trinity of hype.

Think of it this way - an angry rich kid with a stellar IQ who can take eight people on at chess at the same time and who also turned out to be a pretty decent mountaineer got beaten down by religion, his drive to the occult world got fed by a chip on his shoulder, and for as much academic study as he did on the mysteries he had to strap a belt on his arm to see much of anything beyond the physical very well. I agree with you that if he hadn't been 'The Beast' and hadn't changed his name to add up to 666 no one would know who he was. There were far better seers than himself in his day who actually made it a point to do the Daniel diet as much as possible - at a minimum abstained from drugs and alcohol, indicating that alcohol caused a numbing of the astral body and kept the etheric body from being able to connect to it correctly.
Hollywood loved him because he was a rebel, and I think they really gravitated toward his imagery more than his accuracy.

I don't think it was inappropriate of Aleister Crowley to advise Gerald Gardner, they were really peas of the same pod anyway. I'd at least advise anyone who really wants to do Wicca to double-check and make sure they've read about Gardner's whole cloth creation of modern Wicca to make sure they know what.....can I coin a phrase?.....caliphate Wicca is to see if it's really what they want.

As far as a legitimate Beast, Antichrist, and Scarlet Lady in Aleister, Jack, and Marjorie, the more I read Rudolph Steiner the more I'd have to agree that those expecting end times this decade might be in for a surprise - ie. he's saying we're only 1/3 of the way into Sardis and that we've got about 5,000 more years until the millennial reign which will come at the end of the 7th epoch of the fifth root race.

Were they (the trinity of hype) successful agitators? Apparently. I mean - I could be surprised, we could have global martial law in several years followed by a super-sized world leader who we're told we need to worship under a sky absolutely blanketed in UFO's, if that happens I'll clearly change my tune to fit the evidence. Otherwise Aleister Crowley marketing himself as the Beast is like some Korean guy who knows a little bit of stiff angular self defense calls himself 10th degree blackbelt Master Ri, Kim, or whatever and does a whole bunch of floral hype with no self-defense practicality whatsoever for the sake of opening a mega belt factory.

Hollywood likes edgy and anti-Christian for the moment. Sex sells. You've got a guy who both markets himself as the Beast and endorses athletic long-distance wanking as a path to enlightenment along with sex, drugs, and rock and roll. Lol, what's there for as decadent an establishment as Hollywood and the music biz not to like?


TY, I'll have to take a look later.