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20 Jul 2013, 2:30 pm

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By the way if you don't think I have experienced suffering read my latest blog post it is all 100% true and medically documented.

I am 100% thankful for all of it; as if it did not happen I would never reach this point of spiritual Light in life.

Go with 35 hours of sleep in 40 days and tell me what you learn.

That is what I did here just now.

And that's just a tip of an iceberg of pain.

Just a rhetorical question.

There is no way you can imagine it.

I have no pain now.

There may never be a higher power for you

but I have seen it breathing in my words.

Best wishes to you and all.

I'm thinking of the emotional pain of losing people primarily.... 35 hours of sleep in 40 days sound like it's uncomfortable, but it doesn't sound like anything worth keeping any level of regret for, or questions, or doubts on whether you did the right thing or anything else.



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20 Jul 2013, 2:51 pm

Okay,

now I'm going to put my Aghogday
hat on again;

sorry if I look like a Pig ;)

Our interaction is a microcosm of how the big picture works.

The negative action inspires the positive action.

The result is consequence and energy.

That IS All.

That

IS.

When I put my Agday hat on

the angles do appear too. :)

I hope you know I am just enjoying this discussion exercising both sides of my brain. I do not mean to aggravate you too much. :) But maybe just a little. I'm honest that way :);):) too.


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20 Jul 2013, 2:57 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
aghogday wrote:
By the way if you don't think I have experienced suffering read my latest blog post it is all 100% true and medically documented.

I am 100% thankful for all of it; as if it did not happen I would never reach this point of spiritual Light in life.

Go with 35 hours of sleep in 40 days and tell me what you learn.

That is what I did here just now.

And that's just a tip of an iceberg of pain.

Just a rhetorical question.

There is no way you can imagine it.

I have no pain now.

There may never be a higher power for you

but I have seen it breathing in my words.

Best wishes to you and all.

I'm thinking of the emotional pain of losing people primarily.... 35 hours of sleep in 40 days sound like it's uncomfortable, but it doesn't sound like anything worth keeping any level of regret for, or questions, or doubts on whether you did the right thing or anything else.


Quite honestly I've rarely experienced that and do understand it is much worse than any physical pain because it is the total loss of another.

My issue was spiritual not emotional as I had absolutely no emotions.

My happiest day for close to 5 years was when my cat died and I could feel something.

That is hell my friend.

The answer for me was emotions.

No way to get back to spirit until I could find that.

It is the whole point of this online journey for me that takes me a little farther than expected.

One shares it now that is All

Okay we are at page 11 now;
do we go to 13 ;)


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20 Jul 2013, 5:22 pm

Peace Prayer for East and West

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt235909.html

I did not build this. You did.

That IS how IT works.


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20 Jul 2013, 6:44 pm

aghogday wrote:
Peace Prayer for East and West

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt235909.html

I did not build this. You did.

That IS how IT works.


Re your blog & recent posts -
Your writing seems to be getting more fragmented and mixing in more fringe ideas.
You say you have been inspired and discovered a revelation.
Also you have had severe pain and sleep disturbance.
Sometimes this can be the result of a chemical or organic imbalance, not trying to put you down, but maybe you should rule out medical causes just to be safe?



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20 Jul 2013, 10:02 pm

That is very kind of you to be concerned with my well being. I can see how you might think I have a chemical or organic imbalance. But actually I have a spiritual awakening.

One could even call it an epiphany.

I guess you may not have read 418; I just received medical results from full blood work, and my health is better than it ever has been. Emotional well being...Muscular Strength...Endurance...Love...Spirit...and everything else that makes a good life.

What I am doing is cryptic but it is all based on research that most people would never have the opportunity to pursue.

If one starts seeing word salad then there could be a difficulty. 'Trust me' it's not word salad it's a puzzle, with all the pieces in clear view to see.

Again, I sincerely appreciate your concern. :)

Revelation is just a metaphor; it is not to be taken in the biblical context. It is my spiritual path to share but of course it is only fully meaningful to me. :)

The sleep disturbance was close to 5 years ago, and I have little to no pain now. The Spiritual journey literally healed me. It is a medically documented fact.


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21 Jul 2013, 3:19 am

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Where I am getting at is that Christianity pushes us beyond our comfort zone in the aim of helping others and provides us (we believe) with gifts from the Holy Spirit. And in doing so we find true fulfillement and our true homes. Christianity is by no means the only belief system that does this, but it is radical in the way it advocates complete abandoment of attachments in pursuit of loving others. This is by no means easy and is something I fail at this the time and I am a professed believer!


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21 Jul 2013, 4:14 am

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aghogday, I'm sure you think that your seeing everything as one is deeply meaningful. It isn't though. The problem and the fact that you and we all have to come up with is that we all have broken minds. The whole of reality is broken. No, even worse, it is not something where the terms "broken" and "whole" could ever be applied to. It's a dismal voiceless cry in a vast sea of nothingness. A reality where all of our intuitions of telos and purpose will never truly capture or address on their own terms. So we have people in the billions cry out for things to make sense to them, meaninglessly bleating like lost sheep, seeking answers that could never exist, driven by impulses that were mindlessly given to them by processes that never cared whether the lived, died, found happiness, or fell in misery.

And so what? You claim you have an answer. You've missed the fundamental reality that there is no answer. People seek and cling to notions of good and evil, and they do so because it was the adaptation to handle interpersonal conflicts, but the problem is it was an imperfect adaptation. Your enemies? They are programmed to seek after "good" just like you are, and are not constitutionally different, even in their will. You say that all of the suffering is meaningful? Then I'd say you haven't suffered enough to recognize that the scars you get from suffering will never be answered. That in many cases they cannot be answered, even if you received revenge/justice you'd still want worse to occur, even if you wanted reconciliation there would still be an empty hole or areas where even reconciliation cannot repair the issue, and even if you understood the process the sense of violation of it all would still not fade.

So, sure, talk about how you have "spirals", you petty prophet. You can have as many spirals, squares, circles, and pentagons as you may like because the reality, the underlying workings of the world, are not found in sweet spirituality. The cult leader Jesus died in absurdity as did all of the other thousands if not millions of cult leaders in history.

... The history of mankind is written in mindless processes, pointless wars, senseless madnesses, and so many purposeless things and abominations flowing from their own historical necessity ( instead of moral failing ) that to proclaim to have seen the underlying mental order in these might as well be the same as seeing the mental order of dice throws, coin flips, lottery #s and all of the rest. We live in a world that simply doesn't give a f***, and the truth of that permeates the air like the smell of bread in a bakery. Either cop to it, or let yourself be deceived by the fundamentally poor structure of the human brain. However, once you understand this truth, you will finally be able to make sense of how reality *actually* works. It's like enlightenment, providing as much understanding as their ever could be, perhaps even being a spiritual experience in as much as spirituality can ever be talked about, instead of being touched by the divine, you are touched by a horror of the void, a tumor at the heart of our common understanding of existence.

So, what's your read of that aghogday? Am I still speaking in squares? Have I moved onto trapezoids?

... I'm thinking of the emotional pain of losing people primarily.... 35 hours of sleep in 40 days sound like it's uncomfortable, but it doesn't sound like anything worth keeping any level of regret for, or questions, or doubts on whether you did the right thing or anything else.
aghogday wrote:
Quite honestly I've rarely experienced that and do understand it is much worse than any physical pain because it is the total loss of another. My issue was spiritual not emotional as I had absolutely no emotions.

Awesome post(s).

It reminds me of when ( in late 2005 ) the secret to life, the universe and everything seemed to me to be encapsulated in accepting, even in a weird way "celebrating", ( and not automatically denying such "thoughts" as negative, depressed, etc as I usually did ) the truth of the phrase "Life is s**t" ( when the human species looked to me like a mould or a virus, an infection, a disease on the face of the planet etc ), or its cinematic equivalent from "The Princess Bride"; "Life *is* pain. Anyone who tells you different is selling something".

The weird thing is that I still do find that entirely subjective but simultaneously absolute "truth", *very* very comforting on occasions, a huge relief. Sometimes believing that "life is s**t" is the most effective method for cheering myself up! :lol

Other times it is engaging in "belief in god/God" and reminding myself that there is no such thing as free will.

Re. Extreme pain leading to extraordinary mental states: I have experienced that, the body determining profoundly ( perhaps unavoidably ) what one's experience of "life, the universe and everything" is.

I think that the most valid perspective on life is the one which most closely matches what you really believe and/or are experiencing, at any given moment; the view which *does not deny* your subjective experience. That is why it changes, and still feels true. There is no objective truth about life.

A couple of years ago I was v excited about this, and believed fervently ( still do pretty much, just not as *fervently* :lol ) that the character/archetype Jesus represented "subjective truth", ( the ONLY connection between us and "god/God"/the universe in its unimaginable immensity, it is *all* we can ever know or see of the universe, our own subjective experience of it ) , and that it was that which made Christianity so special.

It's actually quite difficult accessing it, ( it moves around a lot, tends to keep out of the limelight, stay in obscure places, is not what you expect at all, etc ), and also staying with/close to it, especially as one apparently eternal truth about life may/will almost certainly die, ( perhaps many times, depending on many things, not least the state of one's body, but also on what happens to friends, family, etc ) and does not look the same afterwards, needs to be carefully looked out for/discovered *again* ... and again. ... I'm having trouble finding mine right now.

Edit. PS. Still having to do Captcha Tests for every preview, post and edit!! ! :( Grr. :? ...
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21 Jul 2013, 5:01 am

Wow!! This is truly Awesome.. This is almost exactly how I feel.
It must be Universal!! I'm glad I still post here. I'm not giving up now. ;)


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21 Jul 2013, 10:20 am

aghogday wrote:
What I am doing is cryptic but it is all based on research that most people would never have the opportunity to pursue.


What methodology you used and falsifiable theory you tested?

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If one starts seeing word salad then there could be a difficulty. 'Trust me' it's not word salad it's a puzzle, with all the pieces in clear view to see.

Again, I sincerely appreciate your concern. :)

Revelation is just a metaphor; it is not to be taken in the biblical context. It is my spiritual path to share but of course it is only fully meaningful to me. :)


You contradicted yourself. If what you uttered is only meaningful to you, how can it be anything but nonsense gibberish for everyone else?

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That is very kind of you to be concerned with my well being. I can see how you might think I have a chemical or organic imbalance. But actually I have a spiritual awakening.

One could even call it an epiphany.


Nope. A true revelation looks likes this

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21 Jul 2013, 10:28 am

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I think that the most valid perspective on life is the one which most closely matches what you really believe and/or are experiencing, at any given moment; the view which *does not deny* your subjective experience. That is why it changes, and still feels true. There is no objective truth about life.


'Subjective experience' is the biggest delusion. Sorry.



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21 Jul 2013, 10:42 am

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If you cannot say that God hasn't done evil, then how do you know that even the things in the text that seem obviously terrible aren't just God doing evil? How can you be certain that the Christian hell isn't an abomination? How can you be certain that the Flood and the genocide of all of mankind except Noah wasn't just a case worse than both Mao and Hitler?


Here here!



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21 Jul 2013, 11:45 am

This thread has been so thoroughly derailed by mystical lunacy that I find it no longer worth the effort required to post responses to those who are genuinely trying to discuss the subject matter.

I hope that any contribution I have made has at least helped stalwart theists to understand just some of the problems we non-theists have with religion. I hope further that your eyes are not blind to the possibility that you have been duped by what is essentially a political tool to control the masses.

I do not, however, require that any of you 'convert to atheism' in order to gain some form of ephemeral, empty victory. Whatever your beliefs are, and however misguided they may be, thank you all for your thoughts made manifest.



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21 Jul 2013, 12:35 pm

Thank you too, adifferentname. God bless.



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21 Jul 2013, 1:24 pm

01001011 wrote:
ouinon wrote:
... I think that the most valid perspective on life is the one which most closely matches what you ... are experiencing at any given moment; the view which *does not deny* your subjective experience. ...
'Subjective experience' is the biggest delusion. Sorry.

As you said on another thread "Quining Qualia" ( OP by Wittgenstein )
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I just _pretend_ Batman exists when reading the story for the sake of enjoying the story.
"Subjective experience" and "subjective truth" have been "useful ( and enjoyable ) fictions" for me the last few years, like "god"/belief in god ... whereas "free will" no longer seems to me like a useful fiction ( though when I "believed in it" I certainly did not think that it was a fiction :lol whereas I am aware that my intermittent belief in god/the construct "god" is a useful fiction for me, fulfilling various functions brilliantly ).

When and why do you think that humans first began using all these "useful fictions" of emotions, beliefs, etc? In what way do you think that they were useful/evolutionarily advantageous or otherwise "selected for" by the environments in which humans were developing? Do you think that pointing out the "fictions", the fact that all these labels/social constructs are merely names on a "map" for things like electrical signals is useful, that it has some function or role in a particular fiction/story/narrative to which you are particularly attached?

Edit. PS. Why do we do this? Why have we constructed this immense network of interlocking concepts/labels/value judgements and symbols for everything from the adrenal gland reactions through dopamine pathways to enteric nervous system function faced with gluten, and the smallest electrical impulses around our body etc?

In the earliest books, Bible or Illiad etc, many "emotions" are actually described as guts this, and blood that and limbs such and such and heart here and weight and lightness and etc ... many "emotions" were actually nothing other than physical reactions ( not even always the sensations so much as the body's actual behaviour ) ...

Why did we build increasingly complex concepts on top of those? We didn't have speech symbols for "Nerve Ending 221B" or "Motor synapse 007" or whatever? ... so we had to make it all up?

PPS. So when I say "subjective experience/truth" I "mean" the state/condition and ongoing processes of my body, in its limited precious unique here and now, which no other body can ever duplicate, because no other body is ever exactly the same nor can occupy the same place as mine at the same time. :lol
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21 Jul 2013, 7:50 pm

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'Subjective experience' is the biggest delusion. Sorry.

At minimum, there are so many problems with it, that it's hard to take a wholly subjective experience seriously.

I don't mean to disclaim the experiences of people who are genuinely being marginalized. I just simply mean that all kinds of delusions are very psychologically common, whether it's hallucinations, inferences mistaken as being the plain reality, poor memory, just some bit of mental bizarreness/breakdown. The brain is fallible, and it can be fooled and it's workings disrupted. That's why reality testing is important.