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wob182
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This is really off the subject, but anyone from israel? I need to what support israel does for aspgers i'm going there in 3 months for a gap year, Do they have bus passes for disabitly or counslers or support group or anything u can get from the gorvement to make living there easier?
Ani rotseh shocolad. (thats as far as my ivrit goes at am but im doing ulpan and i can read and write)
יש פה עוד יהודים? (hopefully )
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Greentea
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Sure, you ride buses for free in Israel if you have AS. And get to eat for free at any restaurants, plus huge discounts at designers' clothing stores.
Not.
You'd better keep AS a secret during your stay if you don't want to alienate everyone you meet here. Israelis not only have no f***ing clue what AS is but they also don't care to know. They attack and harrass and end up outcasting anyone who acts DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY from the herd and whom they can't comprehend. Israelis see difference as a threat and an offense. Welcome to Aspie hell. This is a tiny country with a tiny population with tiny ghetto minds (ghetto as in everyone has to behave exactly the same way, have exactly the same values and opinions and habits). Do your best to blend in or you won't survive the verbal attacks and ensuing isolation. You can try to excuse your behavior as being a foreigner, don't know how much it'll help but it's your best/only bet.
And be careful about your privacy. Tip: give up on it altogether. Israelis don't take kindly to privacy, to put it mildly. They expect you to tell any new person you meet, in the first moments of conversation, how much you/your parents earn, how much money/assets you/your parents have/make, and what car make and model you/they drive.
Israel is the most noisy and hectic country in the world (more than Italy). People here yell about anything and everything, they're the most aggressive people on Earth and you won't get by if you don't learn to yell your way through the supermarket, the phone company, the transportation system, the school administration.
Yeah, I didn't believe it either when I was told all this before I immigrated here 25 years ago. But everything they said turned out true.
The good news: anything I haven't mentioned above is wonderful here and you'll find it very hard not to fall inlove with this country. Chances are that, like me, you'll want to stay forever - and will bitch forever about the things I mentioned above.
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crackedpleasures
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I am jealous  Israel is a country of my dreams, along with Norway. I would so much love to emigrate to Israel. It is such a diverse and beautiful country with such a unique history. But it seems quite impossible to get working permits as a non-Jew, I have applied with several employers and each time they showed interest in me until they heard I was not jewish and could not make aliyah. Then they make up excuses not to hire you or, one time they really asked if I was interested in conversion or taking a jewish woman ... It is frustrating when you really want to go to a place very badly but religion is the one thing that stops you from getting the necessary permit. Guess Israel will always be a dream to me which will never come true, as conversion is out of question and meeting a jewish girlfriend is a very small chance (and regular employers giving permits... sort of gave up that hope)
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Greentea
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For obvious reasons, there are practically no (non-Jewish) Germans in Israel. This makes the job market heaven for the very few Germans that manage to come work here legally. You get excellent pay and conditions if an employer needs German language skills, because they're extremely rare to find.
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crackedpleasures
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My German isn't perfect though, Dutch is my native language. I speak Dutch and English at native speaker level, and decent French and German.
I applied with 3 callcenters in Israel and a few hotels. Every time the same answer: they would really like to hire someone with my skills if only they didn't need to request a working permit. being Jewish you don't need a working permit as you can make aliyah, but me as a non-Jew experience great difficulties in the Israeli job market. If the country did not attract me in such an intense way I'd probably have given up already, although sometimes it just seems impossible to find an employer willing to sponsor the working permit.
Moving to Israel first and then jobhunting may help in the hotel industry, but this requires a huge financial reserve to cover the weeks before you find a job.
I would really love to move to Israel, but it seems so out of reach... 
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Greentea
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Your dream is extremely easy to accomplish, crackedpleasures. Don't give up, or you'll regret it in a few years when it's too late and you realize how easy it would've been.
Forget the big, very official enterprises. They're under lots of government supervision and can't bend the law even a bit to accomodate you. You can earn a decent (sometimes much more than decent) living here without a permit if you're willing to do unqualified work and live without luxury, such as work at restaurants or coffee-shops, fruit/veg collection in the farms (called MOSHAV here) or cleaning houses (cleaning is very well paid).
Or you can always apply as a volunteer to a kibbutz, as most Europeans do. The kibbutz volunteer program, I hear from Europeans, is one of the most thrilling life experiences. Choose a kibbutz near the place you like the most (Jerusalem, the Galilee, Tel Aviv, etc. - whichever makes you tick) and you'll have a wonderful time, meet lots of people and enrich your life perspective a ton. I know many, many Europeans who have lived here forever and they started out as kibbutz volunteers.
If you survive a year of volunteer work on a Kibbutz peeling potatoes, enduring the scorching heat of our climate year round, the constant yelling, arrogance and intruding in your privacy by Israelis, as well as a rocket / grenade every now and then, you will have proven you got what it takes to become a citizen. 
(On a side note: I spent a year in Belgium on a student exchange program once, and loved it. I learned Dutch/Flemish.)
If we meet for coffee while you're here, DO NOT complain about the heat and the yelling - I did warn you.
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wob182
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| Greentea wrote: | Sure, you ride buses for free in Israel if you have AS. And get to eat for free at any restaurants, plus huge discounts at designers' clothing stores.
Not.
You'd better keep AS a secret during your stay if you don't want to alienate everyone you meet here. Israelis not only have no f***ing clue what AS is but they also don't care to know. They attack and harrass and end up outcasting anyone who acts DIFFERENT IN ANY WAY from the herd and whom they can't comprehend. Israelis see difference as a threat and an offense. Welcome to Aspie hell. This is a tiny country with a tiny population with tiny ghetto minds (ghetto as in everyone has to behave exactly the same way, have exactly the same values and opinions and habits). Do your best to blend in or you won't survive the verbal attacks and ensuing isolation. You can try to excuse your behavior as being a foreigner, don't know how much it'll help but it's your best/only bet.
And be careful about your privacy. Tip: give up on it altogether. Israelis don't take kindly to privacy, to put it mildly. They expect you to tell any new person you meet, in the first moments of conversation, how much you/your parents earn, how much money/assets you/your parents have/make, and what car make and model you/they drive.
Israel is the most noisy and hectic country in the world (more than Italy). People here yell about anything and everything, they're the most aggressive people on Earth and you won't get by if you don't learn to yell your way through the supermarket, the phone company, the transportation system, the school administration.
Yeah, I didn't believe it either when I was told all this before I immigrated here 25 years ago. But everything they said turned out true.
The good news: anything I haven't mentioned above is wonderful here and you'll find it very hard not to fall inlove with this country. Chances are that, like me, you'll want to stay forever - and will bitch forever about the things I mentioned above. |
ok i'm not saying im telling random israelis i meet i woudnt do that here either. How do u cope with ur AS there do u get any type of help. Israel isnt that backwards that it doesnt know about autism etc i'm sure there is helps somewhere.
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crackedpleasures
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I thought of a kibbutz but what makes me hesitate is
a) living without private rooms (although some kibbutzim do, so if you're lucky...)
b) in theory your time is limited to 6 months. I know in practice this is often not the case and they'll be happy to let you stay, but it's not something you have total grip on.
I thought of some other options as well, such as the embassy (I speak all 3 languages of my native country so I think I could do a good job in an embassy - but without connections in politics it is quite hard to get into those offices) or even employment in the West Bank where other visa rules exist not based on jewish ancestry (but it seems quite impossible to find a job in the Palestinian zone, and also even if it'd work out it would not guarantee that it'd be a stepping stone into Israel)
I really would love to live in the Middle East again and really absorb myself in Middle Eastern culture. But all nice places are so hard to get permits for. Israel, Beirut, Egypt, ... Not the easiest places to get into. The Gulf countries seem easier to get permits but Dubai is almost becoming a western enclave and I am not really that much looking forward to live in a theocracy like Saudi Arabia  If any offer from Lebanon or Israel or so would come, I'd have my bags packed however!
My other destination of dreams, Scandinavia, is a lot easier to get into (without saying finding a job there is done in the snap of a finger) but in the end I do wish to live in the Middle East again at some point in my life. i know of a company in Turkey recruiting quite actively including foreigners, but the job seems very repetitive and I already experienced that a bad job can ruin the experience even in the most amazing place...
PS: where in Belgium did you live?
Flemish is not a language though, just a dialect. It'd be too much honor to call it a language But it is nice to hear the country pleased you!
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Greentea
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I lived in Ghent. Wish we could exchange places, because I'd love to go back there to live if only I had a work permit.
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crackedpleasures
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Ghent is my native city, I was born there! That is just an amazing coincidence, the world is so damn small 
Ghent is a great place indeed, although I have no desire to go back to Belgium. I like living abroad and I hope to stay abroad. So if you wish to exchange citizenships, we'd both be happy I guess if it works Let's write a letter to the Knesset with our proposal  
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