mmaestro
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I think the biggest issue is, is this land all privately owned? I mean, all of it? It sounds like you're talking about some sort of public minicipality, and the problem with that is that if your town is successful, NTs will want to move there, too, and there will be nothing you can do to stop them. If this is all on privately owned land, on the other hand, that objection is irrelevant.
| username88 wrote: | | Heres another thing. Realistically, how many of us have enough money to start something like this in America? Its more logical to take our money where the USD is worth more, thus making us wealthy and able to afford anything we need/want. |
That's a very good point, but you'd need to find somewhere that through farming and small industry, you could be self-sufficient. The whole reason that most places where it's cheap to buy large amounts of land are cheap is because it's difficult to be self-sufficient there. It's a catch-22 situation.
Myself, I think I'll pass. Most of my friends are NT, my wife's NT, and I've got no interest in living in a ghetto. But if it makes y'all happy, if you can create a workable plan, I wish you good luck.
I may come visit, though.
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krex
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| username88 wrote: | | Heres another thing. Realistically, how many of us have enough money to start something like this in America? Its more logical to take our money where the USD is worth more, thus making us wealthy and able to afford anything we need/want. |
Realistically....how many of us have any money?Most countries have an excess labor pool willing to work for a hovel and some rice.Are they going to hire you?The places where things are "cheap" are cheap because they have a weak economy and lots of poverty.Thats a great place to live "if" you have your own unlimited financial resources,retirement account with a steady income from stocks and bonds or something.I read a great book about this by a women named Cleo.This was a about the American and Euro kids moving to India because it was so "cheap"(beautiful scenery but you are surounded by poverty)and the only way they could make money was by being "drug mules"......very lucritive and very dangerious,if you know how long those countries lock you into jail(watch, Midnight Express).There is also a big business of kidnapping Ameri/Euro's because they think we are all rich.If these countries were so fantastic,I dont think the people would be working their whole lives so that they kids could immagrat to Euro/America.They are not stuipid,dont hate their family/friends/country....they are leaving for a chance at economic stability.
What we need to gain independence is an economy of our own.A chance to work and invest in our own community.I've spent many years of my life below the poverty line with a job.All my labor did was make someone else wealthy.If I am going to have to eat Ramon noodles for a year,I would like to know that it is to earn a bigger investment over time.Buildings,jobs,community center.A chance to grow buinesses to sell aspie "products" and "skills".Some of us dont have money for trade schools or college.Some of us have problems being hired,even with a degree(Krex raises her hand),.This would be an internship to learn a skill that you could use to build your own adobe dwelling and make others for new residents.You would own your own construction company at the end of a year.As other businesses develop we could create a "vacation camp" for aspie with horse back riding(there is a huge state park within an hours drive).We could start a business training service dogs for aspies.When the anima studio is begun,they can offer interships to get that job experience.
We would be a "unique community" and NT's have a thirst for novelty.We can sell our own suvineers based on being an aspie community and the book and anima series.Nothing on this scale has ever been tried before that wasnt based on being a "hippy" or a "religion".We can be the first and help others learn from our successes and failures to create more communities world wide.
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krex
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| violentcloud wrote: | I would've thought that it'd be better to establish an 'aspie nation' in a country where they *don't* experiment on people with AS... Even if it's only a few children at this point, it doesn't leave me a whole lot of confidence in the future.
Buy an island somewhere and declare independance. I'd love to see an aspie in the UN  |
How are we going to combat "defeat autism now" and other curbbie groups if we dont show them there is nothing to "cure",only a need for a less hostile environment.If we succceed and prove that we are not defective, maybe the funding currently going to these groups and those looking for genetic markers to anialate us, would be funneled into communitites like ours?Perhaps we can show that with a more positve learning/working environment(one were we are being bullied everyday),we have less of the meltdowns,depression,anxiety cycle that keeps us from achieving our full potential.
Who is going to buy this Island?I am talking about someone who is already investing in land in a town with only 3,ooo people.We wont exclude NT's but if we have a structure that is already in place,they will be living by our rules,what works for aspie cognitions(strengths and weaknesses).If we build our community,we will be in the majority and can set our own agenda.
Does this really sound as bad as what your are living with now?If we can show the world we ARE humans,people will be outraged at the things they are currently doing to people with AS.(Just as we now are at how they treated Native Americans and African Americans who were once seen and treated as subhumans.)
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richardbenson
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| well goodluck you guys in building your nation. i personally wouldnt do well in any nation, aspie or not and find that i generally do better alone preferably with a backdrop of high mountains and lotsa woods with scary animals living in them |
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fivecents
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Hmm, a group of allegedly non social people forming a society that works? Don’t let the Feds know, they may want to tax it.
Perhaps the wiring of your brains to be logical, direct, intelligent, genuine, etc. isn’t a form of Autism, but evolution? Are there simply more diagnoses because it is becoming “recognized”, or are there more of you because evolution prepares generations ahead for what is to come? Maybe all this intuition we NT’s have is primitive because intuition and body language and monkey gestures were needed prior to the development of language? There may be more NT’s in quantity, but I suspect the AS community has a collectively higher IQ than the mass, and isn’t quality better than quantity? |
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Hadron
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| Start with buying a boat. Then more boats, then bigger boats. If it cannot be done on land, let it be done on water. |
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snake321
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| Thing is we have to be selective to some degree on who we let in, because for one we have to weed out the phoney aspies. |
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violentcloud
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You say "weed out"... This is a little unreasonable, I think. If they want a place in the society, let them have it... just force them into slavery  That'll teach the bastards. |
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fivecents
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| Hadron wrote: | | Start with buying a boat. Then more boats, then bigger boats. If it cannot be done on land, let it be done on water. |
Wasn't this a movie with Kevin Costner? Didn't he grow gills? Evolution... |
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krex
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| richardbenson wrote: | | well goodluck you guys in building your nation. i personally wouldnt do well in any nation, aspie or not and find that i generally do better alone preferably with a backdrop of high mountains and lotsa woods with scary animals living in them |
You could live in the surrounding outback(it's an arid place)hunt for meteorite and sell cool rocks to the town for the tourists.The scariest animals live in cities but I believe you might find cougar or puma,wolves.Maybe we could liberate some of the scary animals from zoos and you could take care of them for us(another tourist draw).You can live on your disability and make some money on the side selling the art community cool things you find for us to paint on.Come on son.A week ago you wanted to put a gun in your mouth,surely your life isnt with out need of some change?
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krex
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| fivecents wrote: | Hmm, a group of allegedly non social people forming a society that works? Don’t let the Feds know, they may want to tax it.
Perhaps the wiring of your brains to be logical, direct, intelligent, genuine, etc. isn’t a form of Autism, but evolution? Are there simply more diagnoses because it is becoming “recognized”, or are there more of you because evolution prepares generations ahead for what is to come? Maybe all this intuition we NT’s have is primitive because intuition and body language and monkey gestures were needed prior to the development of language? There may be more NT’s in quantity, but I suspect the AS community has a collectively higher IQ than the mass, and isn’t quality better than quantity? |
I honestly cant tell if your being sarcastic or genuine but will assume the latter to make a point and thank you for a simi-vote of confidence in aspies because I am quickly losing mine.Evolution???Of what? a bunch of parasites who can't envision a life out-side of NT constructs?I know we are afraid of change but I am 43 and sick to death of the treadmill they have us running on.Where is our Neo, to wake us up from the dream of slavery....it sure the heck isnt me.
I began this thread,not as a fantasy roll-playing game but as an experiment in creative problem solving towards an end game of a community that would suit our needs.Perhaps I am not being clear(wouldnt be the first time).I do understand and sympathise with our fear of "change" and the unknown.But look at what our "known" is.....schools and jobs that oppress actual learning,creativity,individuality.Ceo's who earn 200% more than their workers.Societies who build the same eco-unfriendly box dwellings with no concept of energy effeciency.In America we have a social service system that is being dismantled and many of you will never see the money you put in for your future retirement.Some of you are lucky enough to put yourselfs in debt with 4 years of collage,only to come out and find out no body wants to hire you because you cant look them in the eye or you end up fired because you dont do well at the "social functions" of ass kissing and staying mute when you see unethical/illogical or inefficient things happening where you work.(I speak from the experience of over 25 years in the work force.
I am not an urban planner...but surely we can find at least one aspie that has this interest,an accountant who can deal with the economics,history buffs who have knowledge of what has and has not worked for NT's so that we can modify them for aspie traits?
I want to see some brainstorming here, folks.I thought we "thought out side the box".Have we decided it is safer in the box?We need a blend of the "practical" and utopian because I in tired of living in "Brave New World",(excuse me,could some one please pass the chocolate coated Soma?).Lets all do some lucid dreaming.
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Tim_Tex
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| krex wrote: | | JWLuke787 wrote: | | Um, there are not going to be nearly enough women if its an all aspie town. |
Well,I wont go into my argument about the current statistics about females with AS who are not DXed but I will say that they are attracted to a town full of nerds(I was long before I was DXed...Spock and Kung FU were my teen sex symbols).If you look at the membership here,it's about half female.But....there are also local girls and Mexican immigrants who might like a nice aspie guy.People from other cultures are more often tolerant of others "differences" or just assume it's because your "foreign" not retarded.You will have less NT makes to compete with and having a descent job with a future is very appealing to many potential partners(I dont think Bill Gates is single).
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As far as producing new citizens, my best advice is to have as many kids as possible.
In other words, don't have a one-child policy like China.
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krex
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| Hadron wrote: | | Start with buying a boat. Then more boats, then bigger boats. If it cannot be done on land, let it be done on water. |
Ever seen "The Perfect Storm"  .As the ice caps melt,we may all be living on boats and man made islands but I think we have a few years until then and we need to get money together to buy our Island. (which will be on the top of some current mountains,maybe that would be a good place to invest...snow covered mountain tops?Probably pretty chap right now. 
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Tim_Tex
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| krex wrote: | | fivecents wrote: | Hmm, a group of allegedly non social people forming a society that works? Don’t let the Feds know, they may want to tax it.
Perhaps the wiring of your brains to be logical, direct, intelligent, genuine, etc. isn’t a form of Autism, but evolution? Are there simply more diagnoses because it is becoming “recognized”, or are there more of you because evolution prepares generations ahead for what is to come? Maybe all this intuition we NT’s have is primitive because intuition and body language and monkey gestures were needed prior to the development of language? There may be more NT’s in quantity, but I suspect the AS community has a collectively higher IQ than the mass, and isn’t quality better than quantity? |
I honestly cant tell if your being sarcastic or genuine but will assume the latter to make a point and thank you for a simi-vote of confidence in aspies because I am quickly losing mine.Evolution???Of what? a bunch of parasites who can't envision a life out-side of NT constructs?I know we are afraid of change but I am 43 and sick to death of the treadmill they have us running on.Where is our Neo, to wake us up from the dream of slavery....it sure the heck isnt me.
I began this thread,not as a fantasy roll-playing game but as an experiment in creative problem solving towards an end game of a community that would suit our needs.Perhaps I am not being clear(wouldnt be the first time).I do understand and sympathise with our fear of "change" and the unknown.But look at what our "known" is.....schools and jobs that oppress actual learning,creativity,individuality.Ceo's who earn 200% more than their workers.Societies who build the same eco-unfriendly box dwellings with no concept of energy effeciency.In America we have a social service system that is being dismantled and many of you will never see the money you put in for your future retirement.Some of you are lucky enough to put yourselfs in debt with 4 years of collage,only to come out and find out no body wants to hire you because you cant look them in the eye or you end up fired because you dont do well at the "social functions" of ass kissing and staying mute when you see unethical/illogical or inefficient things happening where you work.(I speak from the experience of over 25 years in the work force.
I am not an urban planner...but surely we can find at least one aspie that has this interest,an accountant who can deal with the economics,history buffs who have knowledge of what has and has not worked for NT's so that we can modify them for aspie traits?
I want to see some brainstorming here, folks.I thought we "thought out side the box".Have we decided it is safer in the box?We need a blend of the "practical" and utopian because I in tired of living in "Brave New World",(excuse me,could some one please pass the chocolate coated Soma?).Lets all do some lucid dreaming. |
I've worked with city planners, civil engineers, and GIS. Plus I have a fascination with transportation.
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Hadron
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| krex wrote: | | Hadron wrote: | | Start with buying a boat. Then more boats, then bigger boats. If it cannot be done on land, let it be done on water. |
Ever seen "The Perfect Storm" .As the ice caps melt,we may all be living on boats and man made islands but I think we have a few years until then and we need to get money together to buy our Island. (which will be on the top of some current mountains,maybe that would be a good place to invest...snow covered mountain tops?Probably pretty chap right now.
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I havent seen it, I will have to Torrent it at some point. The idea of a boat was so we could make our own laws etc. |
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