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Thundaeagle
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| I am glad she is in a place like Little Angels. I am like 'wow' as I look at the website. The only time I would want them to pull the plug is if I was completly brain dead. |
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Strapples
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[quote="Thundaeagle"]I am glad she is in a place like Little Angels. I am like 'wow' as I look at the website. The only time I would want them to pull the plug is if I was completly brain dead.[/quote
my physical disability is just about severe enough to go there, just need to go lose more IQ points *bangs head on wall*
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just-me
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i personally would like to lobby against that DNR upon this specific case and also have all further DNRs on a disabled child under the age of 16 denied and voided...
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If you do i will help however i can!!
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Strapples
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| just-me wrote: | | Strapples wrote: |
i personally would like to lobby against that DNR upon this specific case and also have all further DNRs on a disabled child under the age of 16 denied and voided...
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lol read more of the thread it got overturned 
but yeah i might start lobby against all disabled children under 16
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CockneyRebel
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Strapples
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Just another DNR story. a friend of mine was coaxed into signing a DNR on her daughter while she was dying in the hospital of seizures and the hospital said it would cost far too much and be far too debilitating for quality of life for her to be tracheostomied. Well the mother is devastated, traumatized forever. Not good... We have to have a universal law prohibiting it.
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greengeek
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| Strapples wrote: | | Just another DNR story. a friend of mine was coaxed into signing a DNR on her daughter while she was dying in the hospital of seizures and the hospital said it would cost far too much and be far too debilitating for quality of life for her to be tracheostomied. Well the mother is devastated, traumatized forever. Not good... We have to have a universal law prohibiting it. |
Hospitals and insurance companies only care about money and not about caring for people. That is why they like to take the cheap or more profitable way out. I would be a good idea to have universal law prohibiting DNR orders, and lock the people who oppose that law, in a room with food stealing Romanian orphanage workers armed with iron pipes and let them at it. You have an experience with a food stealing Romanian orphanage worker, than might have been partially the reason they way you are.
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visagrunt
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| greengeek wrote: | | Hospitals and insurance companies only care about money and not about caring for people. That is why they like to take the cheap or more profitable way out. I would be a good idea to have universal law prohibiting DNR orders, and lock the people who oppose that law, in a room with food stealing Romanian orphanage workers armed with iron pipes and let them at it. You have an experience with a food stealing Romanian orphanage worker, than might have been partially the reason they way you are. |
A prohibition against DNR orders? What kind of sadism is that?
I am a physician--my profession is healing. But not healing at all costs, and certainly not healing against the wishes of the patient.
There are cases where DNRs are appropriate for children, or patients unable to express their own wishes. But of necessity, these circumstances are exceptional. Where a decision to sign off a DNR has been properly made, then I am loath to second guess the people who know the patient best.
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Kittygirl
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| Posted: Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:30 pm Post subject: Cerebral Palsy DNR |
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| Cerebral palsy is not a terminal illness and it is not progressive like Muscular Dystrophy or Alzheimer's Disease or ALS. People with CP may be medically fragile but not enough to require a DNR or being placed under hospice care. |
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ADoyle90815
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| I'm glad that decision was overturned, as those "parents" probably agreed with Ebenezer Scrooge in "A Christmas Carol" when he said that "if they're going to die, then they had better do it and decrease the surplus population." At least in the story, Scrooge realized how awful that statement was, and eventually changed his ways. |
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BuyerBeware
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It's a personal choice and I don't want any law forbidding people from making it. Laws tend to be blanketory and therefore not capable of taking circumstances of individual cases into consideration.
That said, I think the parents in this case may be f****.
Most folks with CP are fully capable of communicating (if not talking). Someone should have asked the kid. Someone should go do that. NOW.
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Strapples
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| BuyerBeware wrote: | It's a personal choice and I don't want any law forbidding people from making it. Laws tend to be blanketory and therefore not capable of taking circumstances of individual cases into consideration.
That said, I think the parents in this case may be f****.
Most folks with CP are fully capable of communicating (if not talking). Someone should have asked the kid. Someone should go do that. NOW. |
Sadly enough BuyerBeware she is DEAD now...
PISSED ME OFF THAT THE DNR STOOD IN COURT TO BEGIN WITH
This is why I propose the following FEDERAL LAW
VOID on All DNRs for people under or over 18 with a Non Degenerative Disease Who did not sign the DNR themselves <This will render all current DNRs for a person under or over 18 who did not sign the DNR themselves Null and VOID>
DNRs for people under 18 with a DEGENERATIVE or otherwise TERMINAL illness will be allowed per current state laws
DNRs for adults who did not sign the DNR but are over 70 shall continue and not be covered by the blanket ban
DNRs for Special Needs Adults who have a severe communication disability but are Non Degenerative or Terminal will require a small jury of 4 people and require a 3/4ths supermajority vote to enact the DNR. none of the people may be physicians or doctors or lawyers.
DNRs for Special Needs Children whom are Not Degenerative or Terminal will require a Grand Jury Hearing involving a panel of 12 impartial people and a 3/4ths supermajority vote required to enact the DNR. none of the people may be physicians or doctors or lawyers.
If for any reason a DNR fails to pass (reach the vote threshold) it may not be brought forth to the courts again until the childs 18th birthday or 1 year, whichever is longer. Exemptions are allowed if the patient becomes terminal or degenerative, at this point the DNR is to proceed with current state statutes.
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theWanderer
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| mmaestro wrote: | | Her condition is such that she's not going to have a long life - she will die, probably fairly soon, and the question is really how long you extend that for, and with what degree of intervention. Prolonging a painful death benefits no one, and that is what the parents are trying to avoid. I completely understand their decision, and given it's been reviewed and approved by doctors, the school district, etc. I have to conclude it's been made with the best interests of the child at heart. |
First, no one knows how long she might live. When he was ten, a doctor told my father's mother he would be dead by morning. After he survived, he was refused countless jobs, because he was expected to die at any time. Now, he's 86...
Second, given how many members of the medical profession were in the past involved in the eugenics movement, and how pervasive the "ethics" of that movement have become in the medical profession, I doubt the "best interests of the child" even entered their minds. Although of course they'd deny that; the defeat of the Third Reich and the horror of those who learned what had been done there taught American eugenicists the need for more careful PR.
I just found this thread now, and the whole idea of letting a little girl like this die is WRONG. She does not look as if she wants to die. And until she is old enough to understand and make that decision for herself, it is horribly wrong for anyone else to presume to do it for her. As far as I'm concerned, when they made such a decision, her parents proved that they were unfit parents. Period.
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theWanderer
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| Strapples wrote: | Sadly enough BuyerBeware she is DEAD now...
PISSED ME OFF THAT THE DNR STOOD IN COURT TO BEGIN WITH
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Oh, $h!t, I just found this thread, and I was wondering how she was. She's dead? I was crying before I even got this far.
They'd better find me in contempt of court now, because I have nothing but utter, total contempt and loathing for any court system that would permit this travesty of justice to stand. In hell, Goebbels and Hitler and the rest of them are cheering that judge, pleased with his decision. And I know of nothing worse to say of anyone than to say that those monsters would approve of what they're doing.
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theWanderer
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I am so furious I had to come back and say one other thing...
Whoever that doctor is, I'd like to get my hands on his medical license and vaporise it. Perhaps a nuclear device would do a good enough job of destroying it, although I'm not sure. Either way, it does not deserve to exist. He is not fit to treat cockroaches, let alone human beings. I hold my cats' vets to a higher standard than that...
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